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EVs are currently 5% of annual sales. They need to be 60% by 2030, and 100% by 2035. Yea, incentives are still necessary, but higher taxes on combustion vehicles as well.
If they're almost at cost parity now it seems like a sure bet that you'd have to have a very abnormal use case to consider a gas vehicle 5 years from now.
Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck
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#92Anything less than a 500 mile range makes this a nonstarter compared to ICE models. Although from what I've read elsewhere they are putting nearly a ton (1800 pounds) of batteries in the thing. There are people who use trucks as commuters, but there are also people that are on the road or out in the puckerbrush actually working out of them. Charging infrastructure is not good, and not likely to get better overnight.…
I love the idea of a hybrid with diesel generator for when I'm out in the bush. But I also want to note I've never owned an ICE vehicle that could go 500 miles on a tank.
But if you can't fill up and sometimes need to drive all day, you want a 500 mile capacity. And if you sometimes need maximum acceleration, or tow or go up hills, you want 300 hp or whatever.
The aversion to hybrids by people who think they are just a stepping stone to full electric is illogical in my opinion and will eventually have to change. Because it's the most efficient way to plan for the average and the unusual maximum.
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The feature list is fantastic, especially since Ford leaned into the EV-ness with powering the home and so many outlets in the bed and frunk. They came so close to nailing it, but the charge curve is simply not acceptable. 41 minutes for 15-80% is way, way too long. Hyundai Ionic 5 is the same starting price and is close to 20 minutes. The F-150 has a much bigger battery, but that should also mean it can maintain the…
800v adds some complications, if the pack is 800v you need a boost converter to charge from 400v or the pack needs to dynamically reconfigure with contactors or something. On the Porsche Taycan which has an 800v battery you have to pay extra for full 150kw charging on 400v because of the voltage booster cost, the standard booster only allows 50kw and there is some loss in the conversion you will pay for. Same issues…
480/sqrt(3) = 277
277 * 3 = 831
I don't know why they make a big deal out of it.
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800v adds some complications, if the pack is 800v you need a boost converter to charge from 400v or the pack needs to dynamically reconfigure with contactors or something. On the Porsche Taycan which has an 800v battery you have to pay extra for full 150kw charging on 400v because of the voltage booster cost, the standard booster only allows 50kw and there is some loss in the conversion you will pay for. Same issues…
3x fixed ration voltage boost is from 3 phase 480AC to 831DC is currently less than $100 in parts with modern electronics. 480/sqrt(3) = 277 277 * 3 = 831 I don't know why they make a big deal out of it.
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If they're almost at cost parity now it seems like a sure bet that you'd have to have a very abnormal use case to consider a gas vehicle 5 years from now.
People buying brand new $40-60K vehicles are not representative of the general driving population.
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#97Ford came so close to nailing it. They are doing a special EV frame, including the first independent rear suspension for F-150. 300 mile range available is great. Packaging everything extremely well to offer 400 litres in the frunk is an absolute game changer for truck owners. Re-using the F-150 body shell keeps costs down and allows them to easily provide interior feature parity. 9.6 kW to run your home and tons of…
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3x fixed ration voltage boost is from 3 phase 480AC to 831DC is currently less than $100 in parts with modern electronics. 480/sqrt(3) = 277 277 * 3 = 831 I don't know why they make a big deal out of it.
Really a $100 for 900 amp input 450 amp output boost DC power supply?
Though, I will concede on the price estimate. At 250kw, you get 180A per phase, which is still outside of range for commodity parts. And at 350kw, switches which can handle 250A cost few hundred dollars each.
Alternatively, you can use a 3 phase transformer to 1400V, and rectify to 800DC.
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Base model and XLT have a 12" display with the physical A/C controls below it, same as what's in the normal F-150.
That’s still a ludicrously large display. My laptop is 13” and I’d vary rarely want a screen larger, and certainly never in a car.
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