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Re: New Snap Spectacles Feature Augmented Reality Display

#71

Post by upwardbound »

shoto_io wrote: post #70

Ok, I am gonna say it out loud: This is nice and all. Great hardware work for sure. But: This is not going to work commercially. Watch the twitter videos and you'll know why [1]. It's all nice and shiny, but it has no utility whatsoever. People will get bored after day 2. And then, 3-5 years from now Apple will come in with their iGlasses and everyone will absolutely love them. Because they will integrate them deeply…

If Apple copies anything from us, I hope they copy this:

The computer-generated voice we used in the Spectacles V4 out-of-box experience tutorial is a gender-neutral voice. We did this as the start of a journey of attempting to convince the software industry to stop making A.I. assistants be female so often. Having female A.I. assistants perpetuates the gender wage gap by creating the idea that assistant jobs are a women's role. This is a big issue that needs to be tackled and I'm proud to have helped with it in a small way. If anyone reading this works on Siri, Alexa, Cortana, or Google Assistant, please consider asking your management to adopt gender-neutral voice technology.

Here is UNESCO imploring companies to do this: https://en.unesco.org/EQUALS/voice-assistants

"[UNESCO] advises companies and governments to, among other actions: end the practice of making digital assistants female by default; explore the feasibility of developing a neutral machine gender for voice assistants that is neither male nor female"

Re: New Snap Spectacles Feature Augmented Reality Display

#72

Post by oezi »

shoto_io wrote: post #70

Ok, I am gonna say it out loud: This is nice and all. Great hardware work for sure. But: This is not going to work commercially. Watch the twitter videos and you'll know why [1]. It's all nice and shiny, but it has no utility whatsoever. People will get bored after day 2. And then, 3-5 years from now Apple will come in with their iGlasses and everyone will absolutely love them. Because they will integrate them deeply…

The main thing missing is a way to incorporate any existing physical object into the AR scene and accurately identify and track parts of it.

Re: New Snap Spectacles Feature Augmented Reality Display

#73

Post by digitalsin »

upwardbound wrote: post #64
an_opabinia wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has any improvement been made on your guys approach to application processes? My experience with "Yellow LA" was such utter unprofessional, nepotistic, myopic, self aggrandizing bullshit. What is the compelling reason to revisit that for allocating commodity electronics?

That sucks, I'm sorry to hear that. If it helps, the people reviewing these applications are different than the Yellow people, and are really nice. Also there are more of these glasses to go around than there are Yellow spots. In terms of process, Snap has during the past 12 months made a sustained and well-funded push for racial and gender equality, and that should help a lot to make nepotism impossible in the new p…

Well I'm glad the woke virtue signaling has been built into the price and doesn't cost extra.

"The camera is, in fact, racist,.." -Snap engineer Bertrand Saint-Preux

Seriously???

Also, I find female voices more soothing. My wife on the other hand prefers male voices in a Scottish accent with her digital assistants. She doesn't now associate male scots with just being an assistant. For crying out loud it's just a damn preference.

Re: New Snap Spectacles Feature Augmented Reality Display

#74

Post by corndoge »

upwardbound wrote: post #71
shoto_io wrote: post #70

Ok, I am gonna say it out loud: This is nice and all. Great hardware work for sure. But: This is not going to work commercially. Watch the twitter videos and you'll know why [1]. It's all nice and shiny, but it has no utility whatsoever. People will get bored after day 2. And then, 3-5 years from now Apple will come in with their iGlasses and everyone will absolutely love them. Because they will integrate them deeply…

If Apple copies anything from us, I hope they copy this: The computer-generated voice we used in the Spectacles V4 out-of-box experience tutorial is a gender-neutral voice. We did this as the start of a journey of attempting to convince the software industry to stop making A.I. assistants be female so often. Having female A.I. assistants perpetuates the gender wage gap by creating the idea that assistant jobs are a w…

This is such a weird response to a technical criticism, do you have anything to say about anything the parent poster said?

Re: New Snap Spectacles Feature Augmented Reality Display

#75

Post by ffggvv »

upwardbound wrote: post #71
shoto_io wrote: post #70

Ok, I am gonna say it out loud: This is nice and all. Great hardware work for sure. But: This is not going to work commercially. Watch the twitter videos and you'll know why [1]. It's all nice and shiny, but it has no utility whatsoever. People will get bored after day 2. And then, 3-5 years from now Apple will come in with their iGlasses and everyone will absolutely love them. Because they will integrate them deeply…

If Apple copies anything from us, I hope they copy this: The computer-generated voice we used in the Spectacles V4 out-of-box experience tutorial is a gender-neutral voice. We did this as the start of a journey of attempting to convince the software industry to stop making A.I. assistants be female so often. Having female A.I. assistants perpetuates the gender wage gap by creating the idea that assistant jobs are a w…

>> Having female A.I. assistants perpetuates the gender wage gap by creating the idea that assistant jobs are a women's role.

is there any proof of this or does it just sound true therefore its true? Specifically theres two claims here that i don't see any data backing up:

1. Female voices of AI creates the idea that assistants jobs are a women's role.

2. Assistants jobs being perceived as a woman's role somehow makes the (nonexistent) wage gap worse. Despite the fact that assistants tend to make more money than garbagemen. (a field dominated by men)

Re: New Snap Spectacles Feature Augmented Reality Display

#76

Post by robotresearcher »

ffggvv wrote: post #75
upwardbound wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Apple copies anything from us, I hope they copy this: The computer-generated voice we used in the Spectacles V4 out-of-box experience tutorial is a gender-neutral voice. We did this as the start of a journey of attempting to convince the software industry to stop making A.I. assistants be female so often. Having female A.I. assistants perpetuates the gender wage gap by creating the idea that assistant jobs are a w…

>> Having female A.I. assistants perpetuates the gender wage gap by creating the idea that assistant jobs are a women's role. is there any proof of this or does it just sound true therefore its true? Specifically theres two claims here that i don't see any data backing up: 1. Female voices of AI creates the idea that assistants jobs are a women's role. 2. Assistants jobs being perceived as a woman's role somehow make…

There is human factors work on the gender of voice interfaces. A notable real world example is the voice that firmly proposes 'Pull up!' if you're about to fly into the ground in many aircraft.

Wikipedia is missing refs, but here's the entry on choosing the gender of this voice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_warning_system

[edit] originally quoted the first part of the section that cited early work finding women's voices to be more effective, but later work challenges this finding. I removed the quote to avoid implying I believe either way.

Re: New Snap Spectacles Feature Augmented Reality Display

#77

Post by ffggvv »

robotresearcher wrote: post #76
ffggvv wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Having female A.I. assistants perpetuates the gender wage gap by creating the idea that assistant jobs are a women's role. is there any proof of this or does it just sound true therefore its true? Specifically theres two claims here that i don't see any data backing up: 1. Female voices of AI creates the idea that assistants jobs are a women's role. 2. Assistants jobs being perceived as a woman's role somehow make…

There is human factors work on the gender of voice interfaces. A notable real world example is the voice that firmly proposes 'Pull up!' if you're about to fly into the ground in many aircraft. Wikipedia is missing refs, but here's the entry on choosing the gender of this voice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_warning_system [edit] originally quoted the first part of the section that cited early work finding women…

thats interesting but nonetheless has no bearing on these specific claims. if anything it counters the claims as it says a female voice is more authoritative whereas the original poster said it makes them seem like an assistant or submissive and somehow affects their wages.

also your example is one where they shaped the assistant based on the humans perception. whereas the poster is claiming the assistant shapes the humans perception.

Re: New Snap Spectacles Feature Augmented Reality Display

#78

Post by [deleted] »

ffggvv wrote: post #77
robotresearcher wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is human factors work on the gender of voice interfaces. A notable real world example is the voice that firmly proposes 'Pull up!' if you're about to fly into the ground in many aircraft. Wikipedia is missing refs, but here's the entry on choosing the gender of this voice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_warning_system [edit] originally quoted the first part of the section that cited early work finding women…

thats interesting but nonetheless has no bearing on these specific claims. if anything it counters the claims as it says a female voice is more authoritative whereas the original poster said it makes them seem like an assistant or submissive and somehow affects their wages. also your example is one where they shaped the assistant based on the humans perception. whereas the poster is claiming the assistant shapes the…

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Re: New Snap Spectacles Feature Augmented Reality Display

#79

Post by mrandish »

upwardbound wrote: post #71
shoto_io wrote: post #70

Ok, I am gonna say it out loud: This is nice and all. Great hardware work for sure. But: This is not going to work commercially. Watch the twitter videos and you'll know why [1]. It's all nice and shiny, but it has no utility whatsoever. People will get bored after day 2. And then, 3-5 years from now Apple will come in with their iGlasses and everyone will absolutely love them. Because they will integrate them deeply…

If Apple copies anything from us, I hope they copy this: The computer-generated voice we used in the Spectacles V4 out-of-box experience tutorial is a gender-neutral voice. We did this as the start of a journey of attempting to convince the software industry to stop making A.I. assistants be female so often. Having female A.I. assistants perpetuates the gender wage gap by creating the idea that assistant jobs are a w…

Someday consumer grade mobile voice assistants will be feature complete and bulletproof enough that adding a gender-neutral voice will be the highest user value feature to invest limited development resources into.

Based on my recent experience trying to support my elderly mother's desire to "talk to her phone to do things", that day is not imminent.

Re: New Snap Spectacles Feature Augmented Reality Display

#80

Post by Seanambers »

digitalsin wrote: post #73
upwardbound wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sucks, I'm sorry to hear that. If it helps, the people reviewing these applications are different than the Yellow people, and are really nice. Also there are more of these glasses to go around than there are Yellow spots. In terms of process, Snap has during the past 12 months made a sustained and well-funded push for racial and gender equality, and that should help a lot to make nepotism impossible in the new p…

Well I'm glad the woke virtue signaling has been built into the price and doesn't cost extra. "The camera is, in fact, racist,.." -Snap engineer Bertrand Saint-Preux Seriously??? Also, I find female voices more soothing. My wife on the other hand prefers male voices in a Scottish accent with her digital assistants. She doesn't now associate male scots with just being an assistant. For crying out loud it's just a damn…

Ssshh.. You can't say that on HN. You might anger the WOKE mob!
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