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Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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I was really excited about this truck until I saw they went the Tesla route with the giant touchscreen in the middle of the console. Do they think that this what EV buyers want because Tesla has it? I want a vehicle with simple tactile controls just like my ICE vehicle, but electric. Maybe I'm in the minority.

Tactile controls and an empty double-din slot to allow me to fit in whatever third party media player I choose. I don’t want bug ridden “radio” thank you very much.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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With the amount of GOOD EV coming to market, I think a lot of places (gas stations, etc) can quickly pivot to support charging stations, assuming incentives align with them. It's naturally for a lot of places with free parking (such as strip malls) to rent out the parking spaces to charging providers for extra cash. Just like cell towers.

I don’t think gas stations are set up for this. Who wants to spend 25 minutes hanging out in a gas station convenience store? Cafes or any other place to relax for 25 minutes seems the fuel station of the future.

In Europe plenty of larger rest-stops along highways are set up for this already, due to servicing truckers and other long-distance travelers.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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post #49

I was really excited about this truck until I saw they went the Tesla route with the giant touchscreen in the middle of the console. Do they think that this what EV buyers want because Tesla has it? I want a vehicle with simple tactile controls just like my ICE vehicle, but electric. Maybe I'm in the minority.

volume and tuning should be dials. I dislike touch screens too.

My tundra has the perfect UI for climate and audio

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Tesla is the de facto standard. It has the largest charging network. This will not change because vertical integration is the best way to deliver a smooth experience at the best price to the customer, especially when technology is evolving rapidly, as is the case here.

> Tesla is the de facto standard. Not when other EVs can't charge on their chargers it isn't.

This is the iPhone/Android charging cable game all over again.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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post #49

I was really excited about this truck until I saw they went the Tesla route with the giant touchscreen in the middle of the console. Do they think that this what EV buyers want because Tesla has it? I want a vehicle with simple tactile controls just like my ICE vehicle, but electric. Maybe I'm in the minority.

they also just filed that patent for streaming ads on to that screen. great...

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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post #49

I was really excited about this truck until I saw they went the Tesla route with the giant touchscreen in the middle of the console. Do they think that this what EV buyers want because Tesla has it? I want a vehicle with simple tactile controls just like my ICE vehicle, but electric. Maybe I'm in the minority.

Base model and XLT have a 12" display with the physical A/C controls below it, same as what's in the normal F-150.

That’s still a ludicrously large display. My laptop is 13” and I’d vary rarely want a screen larger, and certainly never in a car.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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post #49

I was really excited about this truck until I saw they went the Tesla route with the giant touchscreen in the middle of the console. Do they think that this what EV buyers want because Tesla has it? I want a vehicle with simple tactile controls just like my ICE vehicle, but electric. Maybe I'm in the minority.

Tactile controls and an empty double-din slot to allow me to fit in whatever third party media player I choose. I don’t want bug ridden “radio” thank you very much.

People still buy aftermarket car stereos? Why?

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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This is needed ASAP to help the ice>ev transition speed up. Automakers should work together and just support Tesla charging stations. This would benefit everyone.

Seems that while Tesla did offer to provide access to their charging patents/tech "for free", it seems like there's some gotchas in the fine print:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35030461/why-other-car-co...

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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The feature list is fantastic, especially since Ford leaned into the EV-ness with powering the home and so many outlets in the bed and frunk. They came so close to nailing it, but the charge curve is simply not acceptable. 41 minutes for 15-80% is way, way too long. Hyundai Ionic 5 is the same starting price and is close to 20 minutes. The F-150 has a much bigger battery, but that should also mean it can maintain the…

800v adds some complications, if the pack is 800v you need a boost converter to charge from 400v or the pack needs to dynamically reconfigure with contactors or something. On the Porsche Taycan which has an 800v battery you have to pay extra for full 150kw charging on 400v because of the voltage booster cost, the standard booster only allows 50kw and there is some loss in the conversion you will pay for. Same issues…

All ElectrifyAmerica chargers in the US are 800v though, and they're basically 95% of the non-Tesla market these days.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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It's almost like everyone else is working together to create the actual de facto standard and Tesla can join or stay out in the cold. If one company is doing X and a lot of other companies are collectively doing Y then X is not the standard...

The point of a standard is to have it deployed. That's where Tesla's edge lies ie, it's not just a spec somewhere on a pdf but an actual real charging network that... just works!

CCS is deployed at 4,375 charging locations in North America (https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html). That number will continue to go up.

The fastest EV cannonball run to date was done with a Porsche Taycan on Electrify America:

https://insideevs.com/news/464763/porsche-taycan-beats-elect...

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