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U.S. Treasury calls for stricter cryptocurrency compliance with IRS

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Re: U.S. Treasury calls for stricter cryptocurrency compliance with IRS

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With something that averages 200% a year growth, you really can just deposit your gains in your bank and pay your taxes with a smile.

Especially for us old-timers; gotta love that long-term capital gains tax rate! Set aside some of the gains into a high-yield savings account for making estimated tax payments, pay off some small debts, buy a couple nice things, and put the rest into a brokerage account to buy Vanguard ETFs.

Isn't Joe Biden planning to make the top capital gains rate the same as the short term rate?

Re: U.S. Treasury calls for stricter cryptocurrency compliance with IRS

#62

I'm all for reporting cryptocurrency as income. Bring on the tax deductions. Now my graphics card is an expense. So too the rest of my gaming rig, a rig that spends more time mining coin than it does playing games. My power bill? What accelerated depreciation can I take on a graphics card? Did I even turn a profit this year? A few decades ago the IRS looked into rewards schemes, air miles and grocery store loyalty po…

You could already do that, but generally the standard deduction is better for most people than whatever they get by itemizing.

GP could likely do it next week if he formed a business entity (Corp, LLC, etc.), which could properly take deductions from the first dollar of expense, as (s)he described.

Form the company, fund it with initial capital, then spend on rigs, utilities, & currencies. Your costs are expense-able, profits are taxable, and it all goes on a Schedule C, K, or whatever, depending on your corp type. You can probably take loss-carry-forwards from loss-making years to apply against profitable years,, and you can still likely use the standard personal deduction.

Absolutely check with your accountant and attny for local, state, national rules, this is not advice, just general experience.

I'd also advise using a proper accountant to file your taxes. Accountants put their reputation (and even their liscence) on the line and reduces the chances of audit. I've known several people who got audited, all of them had the IRS write checks to them at the end, but it was a huge pain in the arse, and they all did their own taxes, which seems like kind of a red flag (or extra demerits in their scoring systems) to the IRS.

Re: U.S. Treasury calls for stricter cryptocurrency compliance with IRS

#63

As someone with a decent amount of money in crypto, I welcome this. I want to pay taxes on crypto capital gains in a way that makes sense instead of trying to guess my way through it, and I also want clear rules for exchanges, pools, etc. to follow to make reporting easy at tax time.

Yea, what I don't understand is how something like using ETH to buy another coin should be taxed? I totally get converting it back to dollars and calling that capital gains but trying to tax conversions from one to another seems nutty to me.

You just take the current fair market value of the assets in question. You realize the gains on the asset you are selling, and you start your cost basis on the asset you are buying. Now thats easy for liquid crypto markets, its harder for when you are trading a paperclip into a house. At the end of the day, you self declare and you do your best to justify yourself. If the irs has a problem, they will let you know.

Re: U.S. Treasury calls for stricter cryptocurrency compliance with IRS

#65

This seems like a positive for the legitimization of cryptocurrency. Of course if you were trying to use it to avoid paying taxes you may feel otherwise. Hopefully it leads better forms and adoption by exchanges to provide useful tax documents.

If "Legitimate" means having to comply with all these regulations and decisions from unelected bureaucrats, then I prefer fringe and bizarre.

If paying your taxes and not shoveling money to criminals is "complying with regulations from unelected bureaucrats" then you have an ethical quandry as much as a practical one to sort through.

Re: U.S. Treasury calls for stricter cryptocurrency compliance with IRS

#66

A carbon tax should be levied on the miners too.

The simplest is your electric bill should fully encompass the externalities of the electricity you use. No one is going to self report crypto mining.

We want poor people to still have things like refridgerators.

Re: U.S. Treasury calls for stricter cryptocurrency compliance with IRS

#67

It's completely reasonable to tax investment earnings. That said, these regulations are concerning to me as a developer interested in actually building on blockchain technology. At least from what I understand, just doing what's rapidly becoming run of the mill Web3 development is becoming extremely fraught territory for US citizens who want to comply with accounting and tax rules. It's an even bigger deterrent for s…

>It wouldn't have been good for the US to stifle the web 25 years ago

Bitcoin was developed in 2008. The WWW opened to the general public in 1991. This would be the equivalent of the US government starting to regulate the web in 2004.

Crypto enthusiasts like to pretend we're still in the early days to try and deal with the extremely embarrassing reality that almost a decade and a half on it's still utterly useless.

Re: U.S. Treasury calls for stricter cryptocurrency compliance with IRS

#68

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If I were to swap some Apple shares for Microsoft shares , without selling one for cash first, that would still be a taxable event. I know this because we did such a trade with another fund. Swapping one crypto for another is the same thing, the fact that fiat isn't involved doesn't change much in this scenario.

This isn't actually true as companies routinely acquire each other using mostly or only stock. However, the IRS does not consider exchange of stock for stock in mergers and acquisitions to be a taxable event.

Different case than what we're talking about here. Your case would be the same if it was cash buying a company.

Here we're talking about something different, which is an individual trading one form of crypto for another and showing how the same trade donew ith stock would be taxed similarly if you just swapped stock with another trader.

Re: U.S. Treasury calls for stricter cryptocurrency compliance with IRS

#69

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I keep hearing about all these amazing crypto products, yet outside of this very specific scene, where curiously only the VCs and devs involved wax poetic about it, you can never seem to find a real customer talking about their experience. You either acknowledge that cryptocurrencies look close enough to currencies or securities and regulate them as such, or you promote them for illegal and ambiguously legal reasons…

> with all the inevitable pitfalls it will have Exhibit A (which I routinely get downvoted for mentioning on HN, as nobody likes to hear it): Ransomware

Exhibit B: Drugs

Sadly you can't buy your getaway car with Bitcoin anymore.

Re: U.S. Treasury calls for stricter cryptocurrency compliance with IRS

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Especially for us old-timers; gotta love that long-term capital gains tax rate! Set aside some of the gains into a high-yield savings account for making estimated tax payments, pay off some small debts, buy a couple nice things, and put the rest into a brokerage account to buy Vanguard ETFs.

Isn't Joe Biden planning to make the top capital gains rate the same as the short term rate?

For long-term capital gains above $1m, yes. I'm not lucky enough (yet?) for that to apply to me this year anyway. Plus, that change would probably apply from 2022 onwards, so there's a chance that if another crypto bull run happens later this year (a la 2013), one could still cash out gains under the current rate structure.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there's some negotiation with Republicans to raise the proposed bracket from $1m to $5-10m: pull out enough sad old widows with homes that have appreciated $1.5m+ such that the $250k exemption would still put them in the $1m+ bracket, etc.

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