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TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Post by abledon »

yhoneycomb wrote: post #60
miguelrochefort wrote: post #4

For those unfamiliar with ByteDance, they’re actually much bigger than you might think, and have become serious competitors to China’s leading tech companies (BATX + H) [1]: - Baidu - Alibaba - Tencent - Xiaomi - Huawei You can see how their offering compare in this Big Tech Spreadsheet [2]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATX [2] https://miguelrochefort.com/blog/big-tech

It bothers me that the acronym is two non-words. I propose X-BATH

I'm reading as a Corona reference

BatxH where H = Human, x = multiplier sign

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Post by justicezyx »

pgwhalen wrote: post #80
justicezyx wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most other modern governments just aren’t willing and able to use and abuse their citizens to quite the same degree that the CCP is. Oh, really? Let's look at one metric: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_... . overall incarceration rate in the US is 639 per 100,000 The incarceration rate of the People's Republic of China varies depending on sources and measures. According to the World Pri…

In what sense does a high rate of incarceration help the United States “system” though? This feels like a tenuous connection.

I am not an expert, I dont know how a government benefits from abusing their people. I dont see CCP doing that systematically. But apparently many think CCP just like to abuse Chinese people, even if there is no data to support it. Maybe US government is with hidden agendas that requires abusing people inside prisons?

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Post by ryandrake »

Merem wrote: post #65
hellomyguys wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would recommend using it a bit more. The algorithm is generally pretty good, it just takes some time to learn your interests. The reason they don't have all those filtering options is probably because most people don't want to use them and it's fun to see video content from all around the world and even in different languages. Serendipity on TikTok is part of the appeal. Although it wasn't the case for you, I'd say…

It can't learn my interests if I don't see any new videos though. As I wrote, it's just the same over and over and over again. Usually one would mix in something completely different...which it doesn't do. That applies to the content and the music. And it's not like I'm not interested in things. On the contrary, my interests touch a large variety of topics but I never get a book recommendation, classical music played…

As a typical "old guy" I just went over there to browse, as an experiment, and while I did find a neat (but too short) woodworking video that was kind of interesting, I generally agree: I don't know what I would get out of TikTok--it's mostly young people doing things that they understand and interest them. It's clearly not targeted at my demographic, and that's OK.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Post by pgwhalen »

justicezyx wrote: post #82
pgwhalen wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what sense does a high rate of incarceration help the United States “system” though? This feels like a tenuous connection.

I am not an expert, I dont know how a government benefits from abusing their people. I dont see CCP doing that systematically. But apparently many think CCP just like to abuse Chinese people, even if there is no data to support it. Maybe US government is with hidden agendas that requires abusing people inside prisons?

Isn’t it generally agreed that China is actively committing genocide against its own people? If that’s not systematic abuse, I’m not sure what is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Post by hellomyguys »

stevewodil wrote: post #70
hellomyguys wrote: post #51

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>Instagram's video support is what killed the Vine userbase as the big creators moved off of Vine. I don't really think that's the case. I'd still argue lack of investment from Twitter is what killed Vine. >TikTok didn't fill a void, it's a fantastic video app that did a lot of things right. Agree it's fair to say TikTok carved their own path to where they are today, but a lot of the same Vine-energy lives on in TikT…

>I don't really think that's the case. I'd still argue lack of investment from Twitter is what killed Vine. Conclude whatever you like, my understanding is that Instagram video directly killed Vine after the big creators had meetings with Vine executives about getting paid to stay on Vine. I guess that could be considered a lack of investment, but it can't be ignored that Instagram captured the creator base. https://…

Vine had the talent and the creative editing down. Many of the biggest YouTube stars started with Vine. World Star Hip Hop vine compilations were incredibly culturally relevant. They fumbled the bag, so of course those in charge would look to blame it on IG. Did IG have an impact? Sure, but this type of content never took off there. If IG really killed Vine for those reasons you listed TikTok would have never happened.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Post by star-trek-fleet »

pgwhalen wrote: post #84
justicezyx wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not an expert, I dont know how a government benefits from abusing their people. I dont see CCP doing that systematically. But apparently many think CCP just like to abuse Chinese people, even if there is no data to support it. Maybe US government is with hidden agendas that requires abusing people inside prisons?

Isn’t it generally agreed that China is actively committing genocide against its own people? If that’s not systematic abuse, I’m not sure what is. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

You can search Youtube and see youtubers' visiting to Xinjiang, and even the sites of the so-called genocide events. Draw your own conclusion. I haven't been in Xinjiang in my lifetime, I have no idea what really happened. I watched CNN, ABC, and many western news reports, and CGTN's reports, and a lot of Youtuber, like and dislike China all alike. I had my own opinions. But I see no reason to present them without myself setting foot on the region.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Post by specialist »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #4

For those unfamiliar with ByteDance, they’re actually much bigger than you might think, and have become serious competitors to China’s leading tech companies (BATX + H) [1]: - Baidu - Alibaba - Tencent - Xiaomi - Huawei You can see how their offering compare in this Big Tech Spreadsheet [2]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATX [2] https://miguelrochefort.com/blog/big-tech

I highly recommend http://acquired.fm podcast. They cover these companies and many others.

Being a grey beard, their episode on Tencent and the freemium business model kinda blew my mind.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Post by random314 »

star-trek-fleet wrote: post #86
pgwhalen wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t it generally agreed that China is actively committing genocide against its own people? If that’s not systematic abuse, I’m not sure what is. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

You can search Youtube and see youtubers' visiting to Xinjiang, and even the sites of the so-called genocide events. Draw your own conclusion. I haven't been in Xinjiang in my lifetime, I have no idea what really happened. I watched CNN, ABC, and many western news reports, and CGTN's reports, and a lot of Youtuber, like and dislike China all alike. I had my own opinions. But I see no reason to present them without my…

Yes, of course. No sense in presenting opinions without setting foot in Xinjiang with the blessings of a carefully monitoring government. Sure many celebrities and professors have disappeared for the last 2-3 years and China is trying to compel expat Uighurs to return to China. But I don't want to present opinions without setting foot in china. There are too many reports of Chinese soldiers entering homes whisking husbands away into educational camps and sleeping with the wives.

But irrespective of all these stories, I am firmly in your camp about my opinion. I see no reason to present my opinion without myself setting foot on the region.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Post by justicezyx »

random314 wrote: post #88
star-trek-fleet wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can search Youtube and see youtubers' visiting to Xinjiang, and even the sites of the so-called genocide events. Draw your own conclusion. I haven't been in Xinjiang in my lifetime, I have no idea what really happened. I watched CNN, ABC, and many western news reports, and CGTN's reports, and a lot of Youtuber, like and dislike China all alike. I had my own opinions. But I see no reason to present them without my…

Yes, of course. No sense in presenting opinions without setting foot in Xinjiang with the blessings of a carefully monitoring government. Sure many celebrities and professors have disappeared for the last 2-3 years and China is trying to compel expat Uighurs to return to China. But I don't want to present opinions without setting foot in china. There are too many reports of Chinese soldiers entering homes whisking hu…

Well, let's not be cynical.

Speaking truly and frankly. You are expressing a lot of opinions.

I indeed reserve my judgement on CCP, as I know that I know very little about the entity.

You may or may not interpret that as complicit to them, or whatever. But please do calm your mind, and see into the facts, and the reasoning behind the emotions.

I am not asking anyone to be correct. I am asking rationale.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Post by taurath »

Merem wrote: post #65
hellomyguys wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would recommend using it a bit more. The algorithm is generally pretty good, it just takes some time to learn your interests. The reason they don't have all those filtering options is probably because most people don't want to use them and it's fun to see video content from all around the world and even in different languages. Serendipity on TikTok is part of the appeal. Although it wasn't the case for you, I'd say…

It can't learn my interests if I don't see any new videos though. As I wrote, it's just the same over and over and over again. Usually one would mix in something completely different...which it doesn't do. That applies to the content and the music. And it's not like I'm not interested in things. On the contrary, my interests touch a large variety of topics but I never get a book recommendation, classical music played…

My only mild annoyance has been that sometimes my FYP gets stuck on a topic like golf that I really don’t like and it can take a while to get off of it. Otherwise the alg tends to send me a lot of small videos of stuff that’s extremely specific to very specific interests which is so much nicer. Searching for things and liking videos in those things tends to make those things show up on my FYP.
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