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How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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The Bill is arguably the biggest threat to global online freedoms that exists. I'm surprised it has not been covered more here. It is amazingly badly written and will have huge negative consequences.

> Amazingly badly written You know they want ambiguity. It means MPs can dismiss objectors as irrational slippery slope proponents. Then when it's appended to the statute books it only takes a few judgements to 'clarify' the law. It's all downhill for freedom. The intention is clear. Voting is useless. The press have been silent to the point of compliance. It only takes a well placed messaging campaign and an unvigil…

> See you at the pub

This is a disturbing good summary of UK politics at the moment.

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

#52

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We can't have communist countries in latan america because of the good ole u s of a. You think you are going to get some slight utopia that helps people b/c of their ideals? Never going to happen... sadly.

You can’t have communist countries in “Latan” America because their industrial base and population expertise is even worse than the USSR. Not to defend the CIA’s actions, but Venezuela was never going to work out.

I don't think he was talking about Venezuela.

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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But at least GDPR /is/ tractable to implement at small scale. Whereas for the OSB: if you run a smallish but popular chat/blog/forum/etc service, there literally isn’t a solution for moderation which isn’t fiendishly expensive, privacy invasive, or both. The legislation has clearly been dreamt up by folks saying “ah ha! if we threaten the Facebook UK executive mangement team with jailtime unless they do better at fil…

GDPR is only tractable because 90% of companies don't implement it. In Germany thousands of companies illegally use Mailchimp for example.

I am curious what about Mailchimp make them illegal to use ?

On the face of it they seem to have support for the required stuff: https://mailchimp.com/gdpr/

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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I wish there was some sort of island or safe haven country setup by cryptographers so they could safely work on crypto without legal issues or crypto being seen as a munition and a threat to government. We could call it `01` and have it in a non fourteen-eyes jurisdiction preferably as an independent nation. We could export code containing cryptographic algorithms to countries that need it for privacy and safety reas…

In the UK if you won't give up your password (or essentially give means to decrypt data) when requested you can get 5 years for that. Encryption will not protect against the state in this case. Likely other countries will start to copy that...

I know it's the law already, but has it actually ever been used against anyone? I always thought it would be extremely difficult to successfully prosecute because if you give them "a" password and swore it's "the" password to the best of your knowledge you couldn't be accused of maliciously refusing to cooperate. I imagine they would still throw a book at you somewhere, but probably not the 5 years under this law.

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Interesting. I don't send cookies or keep personal data, so why do I need to worry about them? The only time I've got into issues was with an american firm using an american law (dmca) to attack me (a non-american) and my hosting company (a non-american hosting company)

> I don't send cookies or keep personal data, so why do I need to worry about them? Can you share your website/service?

Commenting to follow up later. I'm really interested in the use case. The only thing I can think of would be a website similar to mid-2000s youtube to mp3 converters.

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But at least GDPR /is/ tractable to implement at small scale. Whereas for the OSB: if you run a smallish but popular chat/blog/forum/etc service, there literally isn’t a solution for moderation which isn’t fiendishly expensive, privacy invasive, or both. The legislation has clearly been dreamt up by folks saying “ah ha! if we threaten the Facebook UK executive mangement team with jailtime unless they do better at fil…

GDPR is only tractable because 90% of companies don't implement it. In Germany thousands of companies illegally use Mailchimp for example.

What makes Mailchimp illegal? From what I can see they seem GDPR compliant

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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I wish there was some sort of island or safe haven country setup by cryptographers so they could safely work on crypto without legal issues or crypto being seen as a munition and a threat to government. We could call it `01` and have it in a non fourteen-eyes jurisdiction preferably as an independent nation. We could export code containing cryptographic algorithms to countries that need it for privacy and safety reas…

> I wish there was some sort of island or safe haven country setup by cryptographers so they could safely work on crypto without legal issues or crypto being seen as a munition and a threat to government. I wish there was some sort of island of safe haven country setup by compiler developers where C didn't have problems with memory safety. Why is politics the only domain where HN'ers think they can make the domain's…

You're HN'er yourself.

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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> Whilst we sympathise with the government’s desire to show action in this space and to do something about children’s safety (everyone’s safety really), we cannot possibly agree with the methods.

Respectfully, stop sympathising with authoritarians who want to take away your freedom. They are not good people. Good people aren't nosey. Good people don't deprive others of liberty. Neither do they class a whole group (Internet users and entrepreneurs) as responsible for the actions of a minority. Guilt by association and collective punishment are antithetical to any lover of freedom and life.

Their reasons of 'child safety' and 'online harms' (whatever on earth that means) are simply pretexts. They don't give a shit about children's safety. This bill will do nothing, nothing to improve the safety of children. The perpetrators will simply go after children in other ways. They won't change.

If you, Mr. MP, care about children then ask why are they drawn to bad online content? What's going wrong with families and upbringing? Start with questions that might actually address the problem rather than implicate everyone who uses the Internet!

The trajectory is to increase their power and control over your life. Again, they are NOT good people. They know EXACTLY what they are doing. They love dominating you. It's understandable why some imagine the government as simply well-meaning but misguided, for it makes our helpless subjection easier to accept. But we won't stop getting the boot from the state until we start calling their actions out as morally reprehensible.

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

#59

Sad to see UK becoming one of the apologists of internet censorship, closing the gap to the levels of authoritarian countries. Once you have censorship facility in place, the area of its application will only grow. The term "illegal information" is also widely used in Russia for the same purpose.

The UK has never not been eager to censor to a sometimes comical extent. Just look at the "Video Nasty" moral panic, or the hilarious dubbing of Northern Irish people on television.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_nasty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%931994_British_broa...

Re: How the UK's online safety bill threatens Matrix

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Sad to see UK becoming one of the apologists of internet censorship, closing the gap to the levels of authoritarian countries. Once you have censorship facility in place, the area of its application will only grow. The term "illegal information" is also widely used in Russia for the same purpose.

The cameras tracking everything everywhere in UK would say that it's long been an authoritarian country. Authoritarianism is a sliding scale. From what I can gather, lots of humans that have any political pull at all tend to be authoritarian (against the kinds of people they don't like, of course).

Most cameras in the UK (I think around 95% even) are private.

Not sure why you think the UK is an authoritarian regime. Check any ranking and it is one of the freest countries out there (Heritage Ranking, for example: https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking)

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