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Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by Tade0 »

908B64B197 wrote: post #44
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #11

My current employer will be devastated. The user interface of our currently in development program requires IE + Java applets.

> currently in development program requires IE + Java applets. Why? Surely it's not a greenfield project.

The other day I was inspecting some software for an industrial pump to advise how to customise/debug it and sure enough the source code is in some proprietary language which compiles into a Java applet.

Not sure when was that app written, but the control unit was assembled just months ago.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by unilynx »

potemkinhr wrote: post #274

IE is used in some unexpected places, one of the weirder ones for example a ingame display frame for the ingame wiki of older Total War series games. They'll need to update the game and replace it in some way else ingame help will be unavailable when they remove it via an update.

Are they actually using IE or just the webview? As far as I understand, that one is staying around for a couple of more years

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by tresvert »

skrebbel wrote: post #74

I smell a lot of nostalgia in this thread, and rightfully so! IE has been a terrible browser, but it was our terrible browser. But fear not! Outlook still uses the HTML parsing engine from MS Word (!) to display your HTML emails, and it's not going anywhere.

I agree with this one; it will always be etched on our hearts. The good thing is that even though IE 11 will retire, Microsoft Edge is here to stay. It's even better than other browsers, for sure. I tried using it, and I love the browsing experience.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by chociej »

JohnBooty wrote: post #76
gogopuppygogo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chromium is open source… Seems like a better approach in every way than the old mosaic/trident closed source mess.

There are obvious benefits to Chromium being open-source, but you're kidding yourself if you think that gives you an ounce of control over the direction of web standards and the web as a whole. Sure, you can look at (most of) Chrome's source code, and fork it all day long if you want. But it will amount to little when it comes to actual control of the web. You simply won't have the marketshare to steer the direction…

The more I see distasteful things happening around Chromium, the more exclusively I use Firefox these days. And frankly I have had vanishingly few problems using FF alone.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by chociej »

nikanj wrote: post #229
cpeterso wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some options for automating website tests in Firefox: WebDriver: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/WebDriver Marionette: https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/testing/marionette/I... Puppeteer: https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/04/puppeteer-3-firefox-suppo... I haven't used these tools, so I don't know which is "best" or why so many different tools are needed. :)

I don’t want to run tests, I want to drive the browser for the customer. I guess it’s time to learn chrome extensions

For better or worse (better, I'd argue), I don't think browsers want you to drive the browser for the customer. My takeaway from most modern browser security developments is that if you can't do it with the standard APIs, you aren't supposed to be doing it.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by chociej »

torstenvl wrote: post #59
robinjfisher wrote: post #52

I am just waiting to hear back from a customer on a support ticket request where functionality in my app is not working as expected. They sent me a screenshot of what should be a form in a modal but the modal has failed to load so it has loaded just the form in a new page looking pretty unstyled. The JS for the modal uses fetch() so possibly why it broke. I'm 95% sure that the browser in the screenshot is IE10. I poi…

Not accusing you of this, but the primary reason people run outdated software is a really problematic insistence, mostly by front-end people, on using the new-and-shiny instead of the tried-and-true. Breaking changes galore - so people stick with the past as much as possible. Example: Office 365 OWA doesn't work well on modern browsers other than the latest version of Edge on Windows. But it does work fine on browser…

I dislike Outlook 365 because of a number of UX design decisions, but I can't say it works poorly on Firefox for me.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by chociej »

marcodiego wrote: post #158
ksec wrote: post #123

Despite the decline of Mozilla and Firefox in recent years, it managed to outlive Internet Explorer! And I still remember the print ad with the launch of Firefox 1.0. M$ still have a lot to do to redeem themselves.

According to https://gs.statcounter.com/ FF is more popular than Edge. Many years ago I used to complain to webdesigners how they simply ignored FF. It is a victory and not an empty one. Firefox is the most independent among last remaining browsers. It is a good browser and an important alternative now that most other major browsers all use the same engine.

Stunning to me that so few people use Firefox. It works nearly flawlessly for everything I do, no worse than any other browser including Chromium. And it's clear they actually care a little about privacy and democratic standardization.
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