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Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Post by maxharris »

clouddrover wrote: post #24
mensetmanusman wrote: post #17

This is needed ASAP to help the ice>ev transition speed up. Automakers should work together and just support Tesla charging stations. This would benefit everyone.

Everyone else is working together. They're using CCS. Even Nissan has switched to CCS. The only laggard at this point is Tesla. Tesla switched to CCS in Europe. When will they switch to CCS in North America?

Tesla is the de facto standard. It has the largest charging network. This will not change because vertical integration is the best way to deliver a smooth experience at the best price to the customer, especially when technology is evolving rapidly, as is the case here.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Post by clouddrover »

maxharris wrote: post #31
clouddrover wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone else is working together. They're using CCS. Even Nissan has switched to CCS. The only laggard at this point is Tesla. Tesla switched to CCS in Europe. When will they switch to CCS in North America?

Tesla is the de facto standard. It has the largest charging network. This will not change because vertical integration is the best way to deliver a smooth experience at the best price to the customer, especially when technology is evolving rapidly, as is the case here.

> Tesla is the de facto standard.

Not when other EVs can't charge on their chargers it isn't.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Post by maxharris »

clouddrover wrote: post #32
maxharris wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is the de facto standard. It has the largest charging network. This will not change because vertical integration is the best way to deliver a smooth experience at the best price to the customer, especially when technology is evolving rapidly, as is the case here.

> Tesla is the de facto standard. Not when other EVs can't charge on their chargers it isn't.

Tesla has offered other companies access for years, and very few have accepted it: https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/22/tesla-superchargers-alr...

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Post by browningstreet »

thrower123 wrote: post #11

Anything less than a 500 mile range makes this a nonstarter compared to ICE models. Although from what I've read elsewhere they are putting nearly a ton (1800 pounds) of batteries in the thing. There are people who use trucks as commuters, but there are also people that are on the road or out in the puckerbrush actually working out of them. Charging infrastructure is not good, and not likely to get better overnight.…

The number of Bay Area based Teslas all over Tahoe these days would give credence to a lower sweet spot for travel range.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Post by intrepidhero »

thrower123 wrote: post #11

Anything less than a 500 mile range makes this a nonstarter compared to ICE models. Although from what I've read elsewhere they are putting nearly a ton (1800 pounds) of batteries in the thing. There are people who use trucks as commuters, but there are also people that are on the road or out in the puckerbrush actually working out of them. Charging infrastructure is not good, and not likely to get better overnight.…

I love the idea of a hybrid with diesel generator for when I'm out in the bush. But I also want to note I've never owned an ICE vehicle that could go 500 miles on a tank.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Post by evgen »

maxharris wrote: post #33
clouddrover wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla is the de facto standard. Not when other EVs can't charge on their chargers it isn't.

Tesla has offered other companies access for years, and very few have accepted it: https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/22/tesla-superchargers-alr...

It's almost like everyone else is working together to create the actual de facto standard and Tesla can join or stay out in the cold. If one company is doing X and a lot of other companies are collectively doing Y then X is not the standard...

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Post by mint2 »

aynyc wrote: post #19
plondon514 wrote: post #15

The reason we ended up with a Tesla, instead of a Kona electric, or any other EV, is the charging network. Where do you charge this thing and how long does it take? “You can only charge at home” doesn’t work for everyone. Maybe it does for this market though?

With the amount of GOOD EV coming to market, I think a lot of places (gas stations, etc) can quickly pivot to support charging stations, assuming incentives align with them. It's naturally for a lot of places with free parking (such as strip malls) to rent out the parking spaces to charging providers for extra cash. Just like cell towers.

I don’t think gas stations are set up for this. Who wants to spend 25 minutes hanging out in a gas station convenience store? Cafes or any other place to relax for 25 minutes seems the fuel station of the future.

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Post by canadianfella »

plondon514 wrote: post #15

The reason we ended up with a Tesla, instead of a Kona electric, or any other EV, is the charging network. Where do you charge this thing and how long does it take? “You can only charge at home” doesn’t work for everyone. Maybe it does for this market though?

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/can-non-tesla-electric-vehicles...

Re: Ford unveils the F-150 Lightning, its all-electric pickup truck

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Post by mc32 »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #23
aynyc wrote: post #22

I have to give Ford credit. I thought it was a mistake to make EV for its well-loved and respected product line (Mustang & F150) instead of striking out on a new product line. So far, the Mach-E has rave reviews, it seems F150 will as well. It actually looks like Ford has a strategy for once.

>the Mach-E has rave reviews, Lots of things get rave reviews but don't sell very well (or vise versa). >It actually looks like Ford has a strategy for once. Last time they had a strategy it was their "global Ford" shtick from the 90s an '00s. That didn't turn out well. They spent the 90s killing or not developing product lines that turned out to be what '00s consumers wanted and spent the '00s playing catch up.

The Mondeo strategy and their “Firestone” stupidity (blaming a third party for their design weakness) did then in for a while.
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