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A teenager's guide to avoiding actual work

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Re: A teenager's guide to avoiding actual work

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This resonated with me. I actually took that road construction job as a flagger. I stood there turning that stop sign back and forth, directing traffic, for a whole summer. I felt, and still feel it was the lowest point of my career. My brain was starved in the truest sense of the word and it gave me new fire to complete my college degree.

Which was Electrical Engineering. I didn't learn that I really should have gone for computer science, computer engineering, or something along those lines until after 5 years of work in the industry. I was just carrying the family flag of engineering.

I contracted with a friend's company after telling them that I needed a change of work and was interested in software. After telling them I had zero professional experience writing code (two CS classes in college), they assured me they would get me up and running.

Now here I am as a full stack engineer just over a year later. I really don't know how I got here. But I do know that this type of work is incredibly gratifying and I should have pursued it early on.

Somehow as I grew up I got the idea in my head that work should be your personal crucible and that loving work was really a sign of workaholism. So I always took those jobs that were miserable just to get a paycheck. I hope I can help my kids find work best suited for them.

Re: A teenager's guide to avoiding actual work

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This resonated with me. I actually took that road construction job as a flagger. I stood there turning that stop sign back and forth, directing traffic, for a whole summer. I felt, and still feel it was the lowest point of my career. My brain was starved in the truest sense of the word and it gave me new fire to complete my college degree. Which was Electrical Engineering. I didn't learn that I really should have gon…

I should mention that coding had been an early interest of mine. In middle school I put custom firmware on my PSP so that I could use a homebrewed version of YouTube to watch a series of "Learning C++ From Scratch" videos at night. Had somebody noticed that interest I could have been encouraged early on that that interest could actually be a profitable job and not just a hobby.

Re: A teenager's guide to avoiding actual work

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I had a parking light burn out on my car. Went to the car store, and a replacement bulb was $$. Perused the lamps on tags in the aisles, and found one that looked the same but had different "ears" on the side. Bought it, and filed off the ears so it would fit in my car's socket. Worked perfectly, for a small fraction of the price. Of course, my car is full of aftermarket parts, so I am used to making "adjustments" to…

They’ll have different resistance. Sometimes it matters, sometimes it doesn’t.

I came to post this. The offset ears on the bulb base are used to specify either a dual-filament bulb, such as tail lamps and brake lamps combined, or high-resistance, low-wattage parking lamps that are designed to not run down the battery while the alternator is not charging.

Re: A teenager's guide to avoiding actual work

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Its weird how luck plays a part in all this - I remember as a Student temping for the giant Audit firm, Arthur Andersen (become accenture eventually). I was doing something like typing from one system to another. I think I found VBA and demonstrated how I could do a weeks work in a lunch hour. My boss took one look, freaked out and I was back at the Temping agency. We are still very far from a Software Literate socie…

Your story is probably the more common one by far. Most employers and managers (especially for starter/entry-level jobs) are incredibly insecure, and any sign of intellect or creativity scares them. I've learned the hard way to never ruffle feathers by trying to think or solve problems at full power on a job. Just do what's expected and move on.

I don't think it's insecurity all the time, although I have run into people who refuse to trust an automated process because they can't see the work getting done...

I think a lot of resistance is due to, like others have said in this thread, unexpected incentives.

If someone's career progress, financial incentives, or work politics require the status quo, no changes will be welcome, and might even be perceived as an attack. (Yep, been there.)

If you miraculously can get the incentives changed, then you can make progress...

Re: A teenager's guide to avoiding actual work

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I think this method skips step one. 1) You turn it off and then on. 2) You look at one that works.

Nobody ever taught me step 2, and I learned step 1 from the IT Crowd (ok, not really). Seriously though: are there are any other steps that everyone knows?

There's always

* change stuff at random, look for observable differences

Re: A teenager's guide to avoiding actual work

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Its weird how luck plays a part in all this - I remember as a Student temping for the giant Audit firm, Arthur Andersen (become accenture eventually). I was doing something like typing from one system to another. I think I found VBA and demonstrated how I could do a weeks work in a lunch hour. My boss took one look, freaked out and I was back at the Temping agency. We are still very far from a Software Literate socie…

Same story here. Was working for a manufacturer doing help desk/support. One of two people in the dept. First task was to help someone in a different dept sort through PDF files, and rename them to the company standard format. I wrote a python script to do this instead of renaming one by one. Got reamed because "there's no way that is accurate and it might mess something up". They where renaming the file based on the…

If your position was independent enough, you could maybe get by with a "show me a mistake, and I'll acknowledge and fix it and eat crow. If you are just guessing, go look for an error."

Or if there was storage space enough, make a mirror directory with copies renamed, so there was obviously no loss of original files, then invite them to check as many as they wanted.

I do understand that many people don't trust automation like this, I've been there too.

Re: A teenager's guide to avoiding actual work

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> saved the town millions by siphoning power from the local college at peak power demand. I'd like to hear more about the details of how this worked. Did the college have its own power source like a research reactor? Was this technically legal or in some part of a grey area?

A lot of universities have their own power plants, especially of a certain age. The U of M in Ann Arbor has a plant and uses the waste heat to keep the relevant sidewalks free of ice and snow in the winter.

We could always see where the steam tunnel broke from the sidewalk and went into the building because there was a patch of bare grass growing in the heat the steam gave it underground.

Re: A teenager's guide to avoiding actual work

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I beg to differ. Using a rare and specialized skill to fix critical business software is "actual work". The example in this story created a fantastic amount of value. It was also probably the model for the author's entire professional life.

Maybe a more accurate headline would be "Deciding not to take a job filling potholes was a good move" "Show up and be being willing to try to fix difficult problems"

Other things of note: Character matters. If he'd lied to his mom about the outcome of the highway department job she wouldn't have known to connect him to the used car shop. She helped make a safe place for him to tell the truth. He made good by admitting a difficult thing. Gaining skills and learning to solve problems pays off. Being poised to take an opportunity that arises is probably a sound life strategy. $100 was actually a reasonable number. It recognizes that computer work is not equivalent to minimum wage labor, is a significant discount off of professional software work and gives the client room to make a compelling offer for continued engagement.

People ask if we'll ever run out of software jobs. My answer is, "will we ever run out of business problems to solve? Opportunities for efficiency, laborious tasks to automate?" Not in any future I can imagine. Maybe when AI learns to code. But at that point the world as we know it is over anyway.

Re: A teenager's guide to avoiding actual work

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I filled potholes and fixed roads for 4 summers and it's one of my fondest memories.

I really don't understand why OP is proud of their story about being a lazy teenager, and then obtaining a do-nothing job before being sent on a free ride to college. Talk about being completely oblivious to your privilege.
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