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TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The truth is, I lack some of the skills that make an ideal manager. I'm more interested in analysing organizational and market principles, and leveraging these theories to further reduce management work, rather than actually managing people," Mr Zhang wrote in a message on the company's website. "Similarly, I'm not very social, preferring solitary activities like being online, reading, listening to music, and cont…

I think it might be Chinese corporate talk. the politicians also talk like this sometimes. might be related to communism -- attempting to not be condescending to regular people. or maybe it's just Chinese culture that doesn't value empty talk and so he is forced to write something concrete but it doesn't mean this is the truth.

Chinese politician talk is as empty as you may see elsewhere, just in a different way (wording being more "communism" and harder to decipher)

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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> "The truth is, I lack some of the skills that make an ideal manager. I'm more interested in analysing organizational and market principles, and leveraging these theories to further reduce management work, rather than actually managing people," Mr Zhang wrote in a message on the company's website. "Similarly, I'm not very social, preferring solitary activities like being online, reading, listening to music, and cont…

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Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody use BAT anymore, Baidu has been a 2nd tier company for at least 5 years and nobody refer it in the acronyms. The top 5 are Alibaba, Tencent, Ant Financial, ByteDance, Meituan or PDD

seen any good analyses of what happened at Baidu? how do you screw up being "The Google of China"? (I know "X of China" is never actually true but work with me)

Web search is not very profitable ever since the so-called "mobile age". A large percentage of mobile-only users have stopped relying on search, they reach to WeChat or just 100 different specific apps instead. Baidu was in desperate for growing or even keeping its ads revenue then, and they did something really bad which triggered a PR storm [1], making things worse.

Also, around 2016-2017 most of my engineer friends who are great at their job left Baidu for, surprise, ByteDance.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Wei_Zexi

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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For those unfamiliar with ByteDance, they’re actually much bigger than you might think, and have become serious competitors to China’s leading tech companies (BATX + H) [1]: - Baidu - Alibaba - Tencent - Xiaomi - Huawei You can see how their offering compare in this Big Tech Spreadsheet [2]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATX [2] https://miguelrochefort.com/blog/big-tech

Nobody use BAT anymore, Baidu has been a 2nd tier company for at least 5 years and nobody refer it in the acronyms. The top 5 are Alibaba, Tencent, Ant Financial, ByteDance, Meituan or PDD

How would you say ByteDance compares to the other four?

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The truth is, I lack some of the skills that make an ideal manager. I'm more interested in analysing organizational and market principles, and leveraging these theories to further reduce management work, rather than actually managing people," Mr Zhang wrote in a message on the company's website. "Similarly, I'm not very social, preferring solitary activities like being online, reading, listening to music, and cont…

I think it might be Chinese corporate talk. the politicians also talk like this sometimes. might be related to communism -- attempting to not be condescending to regular people. or maybe it's just Chinese culture that doesn't value empty talk and so he is forced to write something concrete but it doesn't mean this is the truth.

Corporate talk means to use pretentious and socially acceptable excuses to conceal the uncomfortable truth. There is no such thing as concrete corporate talk.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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That's a prediction and a half. It would only become the most valuable company if the stock market goes crazy about it, as it stands, one does not become that with just a mobile app / social network.

Still, it will be an incredibly valuable company, especially as the Chinese middle class comes into wealth.

China seems to be aging faster than the middle class can get wealthy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/01/chinas-aging-population-is-b...

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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Wow, his comments were super honest as to his reasons for stepping down. It's refreshing in such a transition that it's not smothered in corporate speak written by lawyers or HR, or the common go-to of 'spending more time with family'.

You're lying to yourself if you think HR didnt make or approve this statement.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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For those unfamiliar with ByteDance, they’re actually much bigger than you might think, and have become serious competitors to China’s leading tech companies (BATX + H) [1]: - Baidu - Alibaba - Tencent - Xiaomi - Huawei You can see how their offering compare in this Big Tech Spreadsheet [2]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATX [2] https://miguelrochefort.com/blog/big-tech

Where did you get this data from?

I filled it myself using Google to find projects I wasn’t aware of.

Re: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive

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post #15

For those unfamiliar with ByteDance, they’re actually much bigger than you might think, and have become serious competitors to China’s leading tech companies (BATX + H) [1]: - Baidu - Alibaba - Tencent - Xiaomi - Huawei You can see how their offering compare in this Big Tech Spreadsheet [2]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATX [2] https://miguelrochefort.com/blog/big-tech

Nobody use BAT anymore, Baidu has been a 2nd tier company for at least 5 years and nobody refer it in the acronyms. The top 5 are Alibaba, Tencent, Ant Financial, ByteDance, Meituan or PDD

1. Ant Group is an affiliate of Alibaba.

2. Is Meituan that big?

3. I have never heard of PDD.

4. What about Xiaomi and Huawei?

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