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Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by ido »

bigyikes wrote: post #166
Tostino wrote: post #152

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If the task is just "keep this working", I could see plenty of people being alright with not making major changes to a codebase. It pays the bills, and that's all a good number of people care about.

And that is all they should care about if the product is EOL. Good software engineering is all about building something that meets current business needs while being flexible enough to adapt to future needs. When you lose this flexibility, you need to refactor or changes become too difficult to implement. IE11 isn’t getting any new features. It’s in maintenance mode. Cleaning up the code in major ways at this point w…

If I was in that position and had nothing else to do, why not leisurely refactor and clean up the code in a piecemeal fashion?

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by monsieurbanana »

zymhan wrote: post #163
djxfade wrote: post #117

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But Gmail is already a web app, and only supports a tiny subset of modern HTML and CSS. The limitation is of course arbitrary, it could in theory support any modern standards. But HTML mail is so quirky and full of hacks, that they probably have to do it that way to preserve compatibility. Apple's Mail app is one of the few modern mail clients that can render modern HTML/CSS

> Apple's Mail app is one of the few modern mail clients that can render modern HTML/CSS That's kinda funny given how my Calendar.app event notes are just full of unparsed HTML tags Though I don't know which is worse, putting HTML in calendar invite descriptions, or refusing to render basic tags.

I vote for putting HTML in calendar invites. As worst thing, I precise.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by chihuahua »

easton wrote: post #178
sebazzz wrote: post #85

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More RAM or worse performance? I doubt it, given the COM addons my employer stuffs in my Outlook client. Zipmail among others.

If you want to switch to this, PWA install is available for Outlook Web App right now (just sign into outlook.office.com and click on the plus button that appears in the address bar in Edge or Chrome). If you don't have any crazy mail needs it works fine.

Thanks for the tip - I just tried this out in the free outlook.com client, and it works there too.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by TranquilMarmot »

brundolf wrote: post #95
jefftk wrote: post #15

By moving to Microsoft Edge, you get everything described above plus you’ll be able to extend the life of your legacy websites and apps well beyond the Internet Explorer 11 desktop application retirement date using IE mode. Internet Explorer mode in Microsoft Edge will be supported through at least 2029. While IE11 as an independent program is going away, the rendering engine is still around for 8+y. Here's hoping th…

Imagine being the engineer who has to keep maintaining the IE codebase for the next 8 years. [shudders]

Honestly using modern web technology (Babel, PostCSS, etc.) makes it pretty easy to maintain IE11 support without TOO much effort and there aren't that many features you absolutely can't use (CSS grid is probably the most painful missing feature).

That being said, our company is deprecating IE11 support in October and I already have the PRs ready to rip out some of the code that bloats our JS/CSS with polyfills.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

datameta wrote: post #161
flatiron wrote: post #144

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Too lazy to look but I believe someone in a vm went from windows 1.0 to windows 7 (with all upgrades in between) and some of their personalization options from 1.0 (or maybe 3.11) were still present in 7. Insane!

https://youtu.be/l60HHWWo9z4 There are also timelapses for those not into having a multi-hour windows nostalgia marathon.

I clicked your link thinking it was the time lapse version, but it is over 10 hours.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by TranquilMarmot »

dspillett wrote: post #104

> Internet Explorer 11 desktop application will be retired ... on ... Woo. And, indeed, hoo. > for certain versions of Windows 10 Ah. And there begineth the weasle words. I'm guessing there will be significant organisations in finance/wealth management (our general area) and other industries that will still demand IE11 support for some time after that date. I think first a combination of our move towards "more smalle…

I work somewhere that focuses on software for the public sector, so we sell to a lot of state, city, and federal customers. We're currently taking the stance that we're going to end IE11 support in October, but I'm betting that a handful of our customers will be very very upset about it and we'll reverse course and support it indefinitely.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

ido wrote: post #211
bigyikes wrote: post #166

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And that is all they should care about if the product is EOL. Good software engineering is all about building something that meets current business needs while being flexible enough to adapt to future needs. When you lose this flexibility, you need to refactor or changes become too difficult to implement. IE11 isn’t getting any new features. It’s in maintenance mode. Cleaning up the code in major ways at this point w…

If I was in that position and had nothing else to do, why not leisurely refactor and clean up the code in a piecemeal fashion?

risk vs reward

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by nexuist »

zozbot234 wrote: post #140
SilverRed wrote: post #133

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There are good reasons to reject a lot of it. You don't want JS running in an email for example. Or even some of the fancier CSS abilities.

But then why have HTML email at all? You could just write in markdown.

Why have HTML email in the first place? No other messaging client lets you send entire HTML documents as messages. Just send me some words and a link to click on in a proper browser. The fact that HTML email is so bloated and a nightmare to eyeballs eveywhere is (IMO) a huge reason why conversations (even professional ones) shifted over to Slack, SMS, WhatsApp, FB Messenger, etc. I want a place to talk to people, not to shitty template engines. But if you're going to automate my conversation, use words, not posters.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

amanzi wrote: post #167
crazygringo wrote: post #99

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What does it matter? Your users will just run it in Edge using IE11 compatibility mode, which "will be supported through at least 2029". I see no devastation here...

Not sure if Java apps will run in IE Mode?

You’ll also need an old version of Java installed that will certainly be EOL with no security patches back ported.
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