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Re: Poor in Tech

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Post by bumby »

rkk3 wrote: post #683
watwut wrote: post #567

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Donald Trump is as high class as it gets. From upbringing to the way his career developed. To the people he socializes with. > Being rich and well-connected for long periods ... which can persist even when the wealth doesn't, and continue to confer benefits. Preferring golf or tennis to say, bowling, doesn't necessarily come with a major difference in affordability. But being good at golf might help your career more…

Since when has a reality-tv career been considered high class.

It’s high status in some circles that equate celebrity with prestige

Re: Poor in Tech

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Post by webmaven »

Aeolun wrote: post #85
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If you fly business/first class. I know people who went to Macau for a weekend or Paris and that is how.

Business and/or First class do not make up for the jetlag. I had this near mythical idea of flying business class, but when I finally joined a company that actually had me fly in it, I was sorely dissapointed. I mean, it’s definitely better than flying economy, but you’re still stuck in a pressurized tube for 10+ hours.

> Business and/or First class do not make up for the jetlag.

Jetlag isn't as much of a problem if you're going for the nightlife.

I don't know whether Greece is that sort of destination, but know of people who jaunted off to Ibiza, for example (from the East Coast, anyway).

Re: Poor in Tech

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Post by giantg2 »

Twixes wrote: post #709
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I've gone the other direction. The company has screwed me over enough that I know life is shitty and all the stuff teachers and parents tell you growing up is a lie. The confidence didn't help me anyways (due to politics) as I'm 9 years in and only a midlevel dev, even though I've worked in roles above my current one (senior dev, tech lead, ASC). Most of the people in the office talk about fancy expensive things. If…

Okay, so really the question is, why are you still at that company and not looking around to switch to a better one?

I have a family to support and have no options (the tech was FileNet and later Neoxam, and the wife refuses to relocate).

Re: Poor in Tech

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Post by laurencerowe »

2cb wrote: post #606
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Yeah - I agree with all of this. On a related note, I think the US approach to dismissing class is preferable to the UK where it’s very explicit. While both approaches have issues, when it’s explicit in the culture people seem to discriminate on it more (or even self-sort themselves based on identity). I think ideally it’s better for a culture to try to not do that, but pragmatically it’s good to be aware of its exis…

> On a related note, I think the US approach to dismissing class is preferable to the UK where it’s very explicit. Huh. My perception has always been that America is far more obsessed with class and “keeping up with the Joneses” than Britain. That said, I have in the past been called “rich” in a derogatory manner just for owning an iPad. But that’s more an amusing anecdote than social commentary. I find this type of…

Cross-Atlantic class discourse is always somewhat tricky since a car factory assembly line worker would be considered middle class in the US (based on income) but working class in the UK (based on status.) As a Brit in the US I find it kinda fascinating.

> My perception has always been that America is far more obsessed with class and “keeping up with the Joneses” than Britain.

The US is obsessed with material consumption. As such it probably plays a bigger part in status here than in the UK.

> I guess the point I’m trying to make is the class lines are very blurred in modern day British society except for at the extremes.

Perhaps this is a reflection of increasing university education and the changing nature of work away from factory jobs. In a way it's a move to a more American view of class, where most people are considered 'middle class'.

> As such it’s not something people tend to obsess over. > I’ve even seen them argue over exactly what constitutes “real” upper middle class compared to regular middle class. Not something I’ve ever seen Brits do.

Brits regularly obsess over whether someone or some hob qualifies as working class or not though!

Re: Poor in Tech

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

geodel wrote: post #557
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #469

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If you make £100,000 then an hour of your time is worth ~£48. You can get lunch for £10 or less, and cooking at home doesn't cost £0, so unless you are replacing a fancy two course lunch with a made at home sandwith, I dont see you saving over £2k a year. Warren Buffet is cool and all, but he is not the world's lunch expert

Yeah, but that's not how it works for most people. Because salary does not simply become 50% more if one add 50% more working hours. You do seem expert in peddling wisdom of internet cliches without even a bit of thinking

Huh? Do you only exist to earn money, not to actually enjoy life and spend time with family?

Surely that time is worth something, or you would commute 4 hours from a hut in the woods

Re: Poor in Tech

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #693
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In the interest of harvesting downvotes, I'd have to say that I'm bored with people like Ms. Elison. Looking at this essay, and at the summaries of her books, she's obviously in the grievance porn business. 'Poor in tech' is a real thing but needs a better champion. Shout out to the few still-sane folks out there.

Can you please stop posting personal attacks to HN? It's not what this site is for, and you've done it more than once recently. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.

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Re: Poor in Tech

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Post by detaro »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #725
geodel wrote: post #557

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Yeah, but that's not how it works for most people. Because salary does not simply become 50% more if one add 50% more working hours. You do seem expert in peddling wisdom of internet cliches without even a bit of thinking

Huh? Do you only exist to earn money, not to actually enjoy life and spend time with family? Surely that time is worth something , or you would commute 4 hours from a hut in the woods

That's an odd argument from the person who defined the value of someones time solely through their work income.

Re: Poor in Tech

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Post by gonehome »

bumby wrote: post #721
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Since when has a reality-tv career been considered high class.

It’s high status in some circles that equate celebrity with prestige

That’s kind of case-in-point - it’s high status in low class circles.

Re: Poor in Tech

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Post by gonehome »

watwut wrote: post #623
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I think this is wrong and misses the point. A lot of his political popularity is because while he’s rich, the way he speaks is “working class”. He’s a good example of the difference we’re talking about.

My point is, he speaks exactly how he learned to speak in environment of rich people. He is not all that much how actual working class behaves. Instead, he is his how middle class imagines working class. And people who vote him are economically not the poorest either. And he is also what poor people imagine super rich to be.

Eh - I don’t agree, his rhetoric and the macho over confidence is similar to a lot of people I grew up with that support him (that are working class).

Re: Poor in Tech

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Post by darkerside »

Kalium wrote: post #147
darkerside wrote: post #92

They. I kept seeing the word "they", and wondering about it. Was it really every single person in the company that thought you were joking about your GED, or was it a handful that you told? Attributing the actions of a few individuals to an entire group is a quick way to engender feelings of alienation in yourself. Pro tip: don't do that.

I think "they" is best understood as an indicator of the author's mindset. When you feel like an outsider, it's very easy to feel that the whole of the group is unified against you.

And when you feel like that, it cements you as an outsider. You can also choose to use "he" or "she", and then have the "jerk" become the outsider.

I sometimes do the former, but now try to do the latter. It leads to a happier life, and if anything, it's closer to reflecting reality.

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