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Project Starline: Feel like you're there, together

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Re: Project Starline: Feel like you're there, together

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This is a really interesting project, and I wonder how long until Google unceremoniously cancels it and drops support for anyone who's bought into it.

I imagine it will be like Google Glass. Tons of hype with the initial announcement, sobering realization that it's too expensive for mass market adoption, and its eventual settling into a niche market.

And its inevitable discontinuation.

Re: Project Starline: Feel like you're there, together

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I’m confused what the 3d display screen is? I thought we didn’t have technology like that without glasses?

From this Wired story, link found in another post above https://www.wired.com/story/google-project-starline, there is this passage: Move to the side just a few inches and the illusion of volume disappears. Suddenly you’re looking at a 2D version of your video chat partner again.

This implies, AFAIK, that it either uses lenticular lenses (which is the tech 3D-cards typically use), or a parallax barrier (screen tech from 3DS). There are a thus sectors from the screen to the viewer, and you need to have your head placed so that your one eye sees one sector, and the other eye sees another. What the reporter describes is when both her eyes end up in the same sector, which immediately makes the result 2D. Note that there might be more than two sectors, so that you can move further sideways and get a realistic view, but each eye must all the time be in a different sector. It can also use head tracking to achieve such correction of your view wrt. movement of your head, since it evidently constructs a full 3D scene of you and the other side, it can render that from any angle.

Re: Project Starline: Feel like you're there, together

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How is this any different from me wasting my life working for FAANG? Why is commodifying my brain any better than commodifying my body?

I don’t know. You should ask some of the abuse victims coming out of the prostitution industry why they’re so upset, and remind them that their job is basically the same as working at google.

OnlyFans is not prostitution. Cam girls have complete bodily autonomy.

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C.f. https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2020/10/05/gan-video-conferenc...

Our relationship to chat bots and assistants is going to get a lot more unsettling in a few years.

Consider the difference in cognitive load and emotional burden between a human hitting you up in the Whole Foods parking lot to donate, and, the junk mail you deleted/recycled.

We have no defenses against autonomic-level mirror neuron empathic response when the uncanny valley is bridged...

Imagine the call center bot whose eyes flick to one side for a moment, that being the tell of when a call center human takes over to handle a corner case.

OH LAWD ITS COMIN

Re: Project Starline: Feel like you're there, together

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I want to try this just to see what happens, if I will have again the feeling something is more real than reality. Because optometrists are illegal in my country (here only medics can decide what glasses you can use), currently I don't have stereoscopic vision, although my brain CAN do it, if I had the correct images sent to my eyes somehow. (one of my eyes muscles is slightly shorter than the other side thus the ima…

Brazilian guy here: my girlfriend just bought two pairs of glasses from China, I don't know from which site exactly, but some AliExpress type of site. She paid 5 dollars each, just telling which degrees she needed for each eye. The quality was the same from the 200 dollars pair she bought with a medical note here in Brazil. Unbelievable. Just telling that, if you want it, you can import it through the mail and it wil…

Not surprising.

Something used in some countries is a briefcased-sized glasses making kit. Eyeglass lenses have three parameters - spherical radius, cylindrical radius, and axis of the cylindrical curvature. The trick is that for round lenses, you can use the same lens for all axis angles, which reduces the number of combinations to a set you can carry around. Once the right set of lenses has been decided, a notcher is used to cut a small notch on the side of the round lens so it locks into the frame and can't rotate.

Re: Project Starline: Feel like you're there, together

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I want to try this just to see what happens, if I will have again the feeling something is more real than reality. Because optometrists are illegal in my country (here only medics can decide what glasses you can use), currently I don't have stereoscopic vision, although my brain CAN do it, if I had the correct images sent to my eyes somehow. (one of my eyes muscles is slightly shorter than the other side thus the ima…

Wait – I also don't have stereoscopic vision, do you have any details or sources for those magical glasses with prisms?

Maybe this is a way to do so? https://www.eyebuydirect.com/prescription-lens/prism-glasses?

Maybe it depends on the exact condition you have. Is it Binocular Vision Dysfunction?

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Why does it matter which circumstances allowed the electric car to become popular only now? Whether that's because of major industry and consumer shifts, or because the technology matured enough for mass market, they have the same effect. It's certainly a combination of both, and we shouldn't downplay the advances in battery technology alone. I mentioned that example because the previous two comments were dismissing…

>this attempt at 3D teleconferencing For that matter video teleconferencing period has only just really hit critical mass even though there were videophones at the NY World's Fair in the 1960s and camera systems have been around in conference rooms for a few decades. What really happened was that it became more or less accessible to anyone with a laptop and an even marginal network connection for basically no cost. A…

Exactly. Video calls have become successful because remote work has become successful. The goal was not to make video calls. The goal was to further improve a team that was already remote. And I think you're right that the low/no cost hardware for most adopters has been key. Which I think is further proof that the demand is really pretty modest. I was just on a work meeting where half the people had their cameras off, and where I often didn't have the Zoom window on top because the video was very much secondary to what they were saying.

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I think you might be underestimating the value of viewing a 3D model on a no-glasses 3D display. This is one of the basic aspects of in-person communication we take for granted that current 2D technology can't replicate. You can move your head and actually see a different angle of the person in front of you. This can even be subtle, our brain will still pick up the effect, and it makes the experience beyond what we u…

Any benefit from the 3d seems like it would be vastly overshadowed by the massive artifacting in the hair though.

C'mon, they're showcasing prototypes or early 1st gen products here. There is some artifacting, true, though not nearly as much as I expected. Kudos to them for choosing to show objects difficult to scan/model accurately and doing a pretty impressive job at it. Under ideal conditions to be sure, but still. It's certain this will improve with future advancements and probably will by the time general consumers get to use it. Unless it never gets a widespread release and ends up as another Google research project ala Google Glass, Project Ara, etc. Hopefully not, but if nothing else it would have served as inspiration for other companies to step in now that we know what's possible.

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I (and probably everyone in immigrant communities) will get such a thing to my family and our parents as soon as we can afford it.

That's an interesting hypothesis, but I'd need to see some data. Since you haven't experienced it, you would be buying based on hype, on the concept of 3D. As I said, I'm not arguing that the novelty is appealing. I'm saying that once people actually experience it and the novelty wears off, people stop caring. Another issue here is that this is being sold as like "being there", but it's more like "being there at a ja…

You're not winning anything with casting Skype on TV, except messing with another remote for audio controls (which is in no way immersive or often not even high quality).

And yes OF COURSE I predicate buying on it actually delivering to the extent people describe it in the marketing video, it's ridiculous I have spell it out.

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Google owns one of the major consumer operating systems (Android) and a lot of videoconferencing goes via Chrome. They could absolutely be doing things like offering better connection quality metrics - look at how everyone currently ends up using a random shady "speed test" site.

That exists now. If you Google search ‘speed test’ (on mobile at least) the first result is now a simple speed test provided by Google.

Doesn't for me... but either way, they could do far more than that.

If I'm having connectivity issues to a person, I have no feedback as to what's wrong. If I'm having a connection issue talking to a person, I want to see my ping to their server, my ping to my router, my ping to my ISP, their ping to their router, their ISP, their server, how much packet loss... anything to help diagnose what's wrong.

Instead, when somebody turns into a slideshow with a robot voice, with no idea what's causing the problem.

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