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Re: More letters to RIM; employees rally alongside anonymous exec

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Post by sjs » Sat, Jul 02, 2011, 3:06 AM UTC

canistr wrote: post #28

gonehome wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the notable exception being Google who immediately changed the direction android was going to account for the innovations Apple had developed. RIM and Microsoft laughed the iPhone off and now wonder why Google and Apple are so far ahead.

I think it's more that Google was hovering around from the start with the G1. So the improvements they made were incremental on that brand new platform but Microsoft and RIM would need a revolution to be able to catch up to the iPhone and G1 at that point in the game. The problem is that all the old players were left in the dust because they had too much momentum on their old platforms. It's like hitting the breaks w…

The G1 wasn't the start.

http://techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/android-prototype-lets-hope...

Re: More letters to RIM; employees rally alongside anonymous exec

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Post by dvdhsu » Sat, Jul 02, 2011, 8:35 AM UTC

Steko wrote: post #46

m104 wrote: post #36

RIM is now a textbook case of Jerry Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy ( http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/iron.html ) in action. Group one, the goal seekers, have been or are being forced out or converted to members of group two, the organization supporters. Those anonymous letters coming from the current and former employees? Just desperate attempts from group one employees to be heard over the crushing…

"Most likely RIM will be absorbed by a larger competitor (and the current RIM top brass removed) before anything like real business failure can occur." I think the most likely outcome is RIM stockholders will force some big changes after a few more quarters of getting drilled by Android and Apple's holiday lineup. Then 6-8 months later we'll see RIM starting to ship consumer Android devices with a Blackberry security…

> Then 6-8 months later we'll see RIM starting to ship consumer Android devices with a Blackberry security/messaging ui layer alongside their other products. It will stabilize their fortunes and they could go on to be the leading Android vendor with their strong brand and messaging focus.

I have a feeling that even if they go down that route, they won't be the leading Android vendor.

If RIM is unable to innovate for a few more quarters, then their brand will be worth less. The longer they hold out, the less their brand is worth. If they switch to Android after their brand has taken hits, they will not do so well. Samsung and HTC are firmly entrenched in the Android market, and I doubt a weakened RIM would be able to overtake them.

Re: More letters to RIM; employees rally alongside anonymous exec

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Post by evangineer » Sat, Jul 02, 2011, 7:56 PM UTC

Steko wrote: post #46

m104 wrote: post #36

RIM is now a textbook case of Jerry Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy ( http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/iron.html ) in action. Group one, the goal seekers, have been or are being forced out or converted to members of group two, the organization supporters. Those anonymous letters coming from the current and former employees? Just desperate attempts from group one employees to be heard over the crushing…

"Most likely RIM will be absorbed by a larger competitor (and the current RIM top brass removed) before anything like real business failure can occur." I think the most likely outcome is RIM stockholders will force some big changes after a few more quarters of getting drilled by Android and Apple's holiday lineup. Then 6-8 months later we'll see RIM starting to ship consumer Android devices with a Blackberry security…

Interesting scenario, but what happens to RIM's investment in QNX?

Abandoned like Nokia's investment in Meego?

Re: More letters to RIM; employees rally alongside anonymous exec

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Post by evangineer » Sat, Jul 02, 2011, 7:59 PM UTC

dvdhsu wrote: post #52

Steko wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Most likely RIM will be absorbed by a larger competitor (and the current RIM top brass removed) before anything like real business failure can occur." I think the most likely outcome is RIM stockholders will force some big changes after a few more quarters of getting drilled by Android and Apple's holiday lineup. Then 6-8 months later we'll see RIM starting to ship consumer Android devices with a Blackberry security…

> Then 6-8 months later we'll see RIM starting to ship consumer Android devices with a Blackberry security/messaging ui layer alongside their other products. It will stabilize their fortunes and they could go on to be the leading Android vendor with their strong brand and messaging focus. I have a feeling that even if they go down that route, they won't be the leading Android vendor. If RIM is unable to innovate for…

Agreed, not just Samsung and HTC but also the likes of LG and Sony are better positioned to wind up as Android top dog.