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Cryptography experts trash NFTs on first day of RSA Conference

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Re: Cryptography experts trash NFTs on first day of RSA Conference

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> Certainly it's not harmful — some people collect coins, some people collect stamps, some people collect NFTs. If they want to pay money for this, it's fine with me. Exactly. If someone makes some purposeless set of objects and others buy and sell them and money is lost and gained by informed adults in the process then.. nothing? If one thinks that NFTs are inherently a BAD THING then it may be more accurate to say…

Energy will negligible upon Eth 2.0 PoS merge

Re: Cryptography experts trash NFTs on first day of RSA Conference

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> Certainly it's not harmful — some people collect coins, some people collect stamps, some people collect NFTs. If they want to pay money for this, it's fine with me. Exactly. If someone makes some purposeless set of objects and others buy and sell them and money is lost and gained by informed adults in the process then.. nothing? If one thinks that NFTs are inherently a BAD THING then it may be more accurate to say…

Because NFT's have nothing to do with collecting digital trinkets and everything to do with money laundering. The only thing that is remarkable about NFT's is how absolutely brazen they're being about it. The only positive is that hopefully it will keep them from screwing around with the housing market that has real life consequences for people although now we're just throwing away electricity rather than empty houses.

Re: Cryptography experts trash NFTs on first day of RSA Conference

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The NFT thing seems to be settling out. It's for collectables, like Magic, the Gathering cards.

I've been following this because I'm interested in virtual worlds. There are at least four virtual worlds that use some kind of NFT thing to register land ownership. Nobody does much in those worlds, and the graphics aren't all that good. It's all about trading land and speculating in some minor cryptocurrency.

The newest entrant - Zero Space.[1] The actual 3D world is promised for 2024. They already have five cryptocurrencies of their own, plus an NFT system. Their "3D world" is a simple un-shared Unreal Engine demo. They claim they will have a high-resolution metaverse, but show no indication that they have any idea how to build one.

[1] https://www.zero.space/

Re: Cryptography experts trash NFTs on first day of RSA Conference

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> Certainly it's not harmful — some people collect coins, some people collect stamps, some people collect NFTs. If they want to pay money for this, it's fine with me. Exactly. If someone makes some purposeless set of objects and others buy and sell them and money is lost and gained by informed adults in the process then.. nothing? If one thinks that NFTs are inherently a BAD THING then it may be more accurate to say…

I think most people take issue with this:

> informed adults

I believe there are many that don't understand that NFTs don't represent ownership in anything yet they are billed as such. From NBA Top Shot: "you get to own and show off the highlights that matter". Except, the NBA owns all the footage and the rights. Do you get to sue the NBA if they bin Top Shot? If so, what would you get? Nobody was angry with Crypto Kitties. It was clear what exactly you had. But NFTs are simply a means for people to strip the token of anything of value and yet get to market it behind a veil of complexity to prey on those who don't understand.

Re: Cryptography experts trash NFTs on first day of RSA Conference

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> Certainly it's not harmful — some people collect coins, some people collect stamps, some people collect NFTs. If they want to pay money for this, it's fine with me. Exactly. If someone makes some purposeless set of objects and others buy and sell them and money is lost and gained by informed adults in the process then.. nothing? If one thinks that NFTs are inherently a BAD THING then it may be more accurate to say…

Agreed, would be easier to agree that they're harmless enough if the energy use aspect had been addressed.

But also isn't it a little crazy to think about how many unestablished / small-time artists are dropping $50~$150 on minting NFTs that might never even sell. And how their participation just drives the hype engine and makes the whole thing look like even more of a thing?

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> Certainly it's not harmful — some people collect coins, some people collect stamps, some people collect NFTs. If they want to pay money for this, it's fine with me. Exactly. If someone makes some purposeless set of objects and others buy and sell them and money is lost and gained by informed adults in the process then.. nothing? If one thinks that NFTs are inherently a BAD THING then it may be more accurate to say…

Energy will negligible upon Eth 2.0 PoS merge

I'm sure people will come up with a new bullet point to demonize NFTs after that. Not that there isn't a laundry list of things that are wrong with them, but the alleged environmental impact is the least of such issues yet it's the easiest to "understand" and so it overtakes any kind of discussion.

Re: Cryptography experts trash NFTs on first day of RSA Conference

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I'm not sure if RSA is a trustworthy authority on anything, considering the intentionally backdoored crypto they've produced.

Are you thinking of the NSA?

No, but the RSA did put backdoors into ciphers on behalf of the NSA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG

Re: Cryptography experts trash NFTs on first day of RSA Conference

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The NFT thing seems to be settling out. It's for collectables, like Magic, the Gathering cards. I've been following this because I'm interested in virtual worlds. There are at least four virtual worlds that use some kind of NFT thing to register land ownership. Nobody does much in those worlds, and the graphics aren't all that good. It's all about trading land and speculating in some minor cryptocurrency. The newest…

Even for collectables it doesn't really make any sense. It's not like you have to own a Black Lotus to sell a NFT of it. Nor is there any benefit to collectors in buying the NFT except for the possibility of finding a bigger sucker somewhere down the line to buy it off of them.
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