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Bitcoin’s plunge intensifies, tanks 30% to $30k in single day

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i get that Tesla is revolutionary in the car industry but it's stock pretty much goes up and down like a cryptocurrency. I have a strong feeling that people who love tesla stock also own crypto.

Is it revolutionary? What is the innovation behind it?

Marketing.

They've marketed non fossil fuel vehicles to consumers, which other car companies have not managed to do

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I think the guy is not completely sane, to be honest. Also, not as smart as most people tend to think he is.

Could be that he has separate money pools, and his "toy with markets for amusement" money is kept apart from his "get to Mars" money. It isn't "not smart" if he's just viewing it as a game and he has the means to do so. Lots of people have messed around with various systems for no reason other than to see if they can.

I don't think he has "get to Mars" money. It's just fun idea to sell and think about it. Like hyper loop, boring company, solar roof and so on... He got traction and now he just keeps throwing things at the wall...

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Is it revolutionary? What is the innovation behind it?

Marketing. They've marketed non fossil fuel vehicles to consumers, which other car companies have not managed to do

Lies like autopilot and self-driving too...

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I don’t care to debate the merits of crypto, I am more interested how come the major US exchanges and players (Coinbase, BlockFi) all go down and then all come back up at the same time after bottoms were reached and the rebound. That’s incredibly suspect and warrants investigation. I’ve never not been able to access my ETrade account and trade (don’t bring up Game Stop) that didn’t affect ETrade and was debunked why…

Was it also suspect that Walmart, Target, and Amazon sold out of PS5s at the same time? Large price movements create high trade volume on all exchanges which overload all the exchanges. AFAIK the real stock market is large and mature enough to not have crazy swings in volume.

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I don’t care to debate the merits of crypto, I am more interested how come the major US exchanges and players (Coinbase, BlockFi) all go down and then all come back up at the same time after bottoms were reached and the rebound. That’s incredibly suspect and warrants investigation. I’ve never not been able to access my ETrade account and trade (don’t bring up Game Stop) that didn’t affect ETrade and was debunked why…

It’s not sketchy at all that price movements on exchanges are seemingly simultaneous. it’s because of automated arbitrage. Another factor (the prevalence of which is hard to measure) is that those who want to buy or sell large amounts (is whales) will chunk their orders and split them up across exchanges. These, especially the former, are signs of markets maturing.

Effective arbitrage is nothing special, but that the platforms go down and prevent trading is. On reasonable market people should be allowed to make money with price going either direction.

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The value of cryptocurrencies is currently comprised of just a 3 components: 1) Speculation 2) Electricity 3) Compute There's going to be volatility.

remove 2 and 3 and you have an accurate list. Electricity and compute don't drive the value of bitcoin, they follow it.

Actually the cost of mining puts a soft price floor on Bitcoin. When prices touch the cost of mining, they face heavy resistance since miners rage quit at that point

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

remove 2 and 3 and you have an accurate list. Electricity and compute don't drive the value of bitcoin, they follow it.

Actually the cost of mining puts a soft price floor on Bitcoin. When prices touch the cost of mining, they face heavy resistance since miners rage quit at that point

and if miners rage-quit then those who are left will make more bitcoin per unit of energy, thus lowering the cost of mining... rinse and repeat and you can go to 0$$

Re: Bitcoin’s plunge intensifies, tanks 30% to $30k in single day

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Meanwhile, Elon Musk is trying to extinguish the fire. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1395027147161489412

So bizarre that he would tweet this after coming out against Bitcoin for environmental reasons. The higher the price goes, the greater the incentive to spend more electricity on mining; for anyone who cares about the environment this crash is great news.

If Tesla actually did not sell its BTC holdings, then today's plunge could have seriously affected its quarterly earnings (I'm not 100% sure how the accounting works, but they may have had to revalue their BTC holdings which would show as a loss on their P&L).

Tesla's addition to the S&P500 has gone a long way to propping up that share price and while one quarter in the red wouldn't be enough to boot them from the index, they're still in a precarious position when it comes to profitability. I don't think Musk is stupid enough to risk the share price on a Bitcoin bet.

So this is a roundabout way of saying "Musk probably has a considerable vested interest in keeping the price of BTC above $40k".

But I also believe - without proof, mind you - that they have sold at least 50% of their holdings at a profit anyway, so their downside is capped.

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