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Re: Material You – The next stage for Material Design

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Post by aasasd »

CallMeJim wrote: post #103
reikonomusha wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a typographic standpoint, the en-dash isn’t even the right one to use. :) It’s supposed to be a connective of sorts, for ranges or directions.

Interesting! Is the below correct? For connecting-words, use a hyphen. For 1 – 5 ranges, use an en dash. For dramatic pauses — use an em dash.

Yeah, afaik that's right. To my knowledge, the en dash is raised in some fonts compared to the other ones, so that it aligns better with numbers—which are usually always ‘uppercase’.

Re: Material You – The next stage for Material Design

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Post by willtim »

coldtea wrote: post #114
ywoski wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh kind of but you are mixing the OS with the application framework to make it look like more things exist. PWA for ChromeOS, Flutter for Fuchsia (but yes it is multi-platform), JetPack Compose for Android (but does have some multi-platform stuff coming out). So really it's three. PWAs, Flutter, and Jetpack Compose. Of which I think PWAs rightly exist alongside a native solution. Flutter is sort of the odd one out an…

> PWA for ChromeOS, Flutter for Fuchsia (but yes it is multi-platform), JetPack Compose for Android (but does have some multi-platform stuff coming out). So really it's three. I don't think the parents point is that all those are frameworks. Rather that they have two many frameworks and platforms, with no coherent unified platform strategy (Apple's iOS, macOS, ipadOS, watchOS are all the same under the hood, and thei…

I always thought Dart/Flutter was a hedge against Oracle shutting down Java-usage on Android. Now that they have Kotlin (which devs generally much prefer over the Java-facsimile Dart) and Jetpack, I'm not sure either what relevance Dart/Flutter has to Android.

Re: Material You – The next stage for Material Design

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

piva00 wrote: post #105
dragonwriter wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m absolutely puzzled why a behemoth like Google can’t have exceptional, human design. While people selling design languages like to pretend that they are objective, design is largely aesthetics which is largely subjective. IMO, Google is consistently far better than Apple, which consistently, at least since the iPhone era, has come off visibly trying to hard (though recently less so than in the over-the-top skeum…

Design isn't just aesthetics... Design is interaction, is taking care of how responsive this or that action can be, it's much more about HCI than on how things look like. You are focusing too much on the visual aspects of design, you can't say that Google is consistently far better than Apple in overall design, you might prefer Google's aesthetics but design as a whole I can't really agree with you.

The latest Chrome on MacOS has absolutely murdered the old Chrome desktop. There are now pointless circles around the quicklinks. You can customise the colours but you can't fully customise them, so the best you can get is a weird palette that doesn't look how you want it to look.

It's sort-of usable if you set up some custom wallpaper, but that takes a while to load, and while it's loading the page glitches with the original colour scheme on grey.

The experience was fine as it was. Now it's somewhere between irritating and infuriating.

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Post by baybal2 »

hnzix wrote: post #23
reikonomusha wrote: post #15

I can’t help but feel Google’s only consistency is in their trying to be clean, cool, and innovative, but not actually getting the details right, and ending up looking juvenile and Fisher-Price-like. On mobile, the font is too big and too ragged. The colors and shapes look like a Kleenex box aesthetic. The spacing isn’t all that great. I’m absolutely puzzled why a behemoth like Google can’t have exceptional, human de…

The wiggly sperm play progress animation is incredibly distracting. UI should never obtrude on the actual content.

It feels to me an improvisation upon Clearlooks

Re: Material You – The next stage for Material Design

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Post by moshmosh »

reikonomusha wrote: post #15

I can’t help but feel Google’s only consistency is in their trying to be clean, cool, and innovative, but not actually getting the details right, and ending up looking juvenile and Fisher-Price-like. On mobile, the font is too big and too ragged. The colors and shapes look like a Kleenex box aesthetic. The spacing isn’t all that great. I’m absolutely puzzled why a behemoth like Google can’t have exceptional, human de…

> Google’s stuff isn’t bad, but it’s simply not exceptional.

Disagree. I've repeatedly had to help my older relatives out with awful UX failures on Gmail or basic apps (think: the phone app) on their Android phones. As recently as a couple weeks ago. Usually it takes me a while to figure out what's going on. They have no chance whatsoever. One thing they consistently seem to get wrong is having god-awful visual hierarchies for UI elements, and not labeling things. That on top of "flat design" tending to make it hard to tell what the hell anything means or is.

(Apple, for their part, is getting increasingly bad on this front and have been since iOS 7, but mostly that's about discoverability for moderately-advanced functionality, not [except rarely] extremely basic UX fails that even this non-UX-expert developer recognizes as terrible)

[EDIT] it doesn't help that every time they upgrade, it seems like everything's totally different and layouts & UI paradigms have been redesigned from the ground up. This despite my steering them to fairly basic, vanilla-Android phones.

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Post by frosted-flakes »

Latty wrote: post #34
CallMeJim wrote: post #10

I upvoted solely for the use of an en dash ( – ) in the title, instead of a hyphen ( - ). Probably comes down to personal aesthetics, but I find it looks so much nicer! For users on Windows, I recommend setting up an AutoHotKey script to convert the string "==-" to "–", and "===-" to "—". Easy to type, very intuitive (typing more characters gives a longer-width dash), and gives your carefully crafted email missives a…

Linux users can set up a compose key and the default is ­Compose, -, -, . for – (en-dash) and Compose, -, -, - for — (em-dash).

WinCompose also works great on Windows.

https://github.com/samhocevar/wincompose

Re: Material You – The next stage for Material Design

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

drusepth wrote: post #57
CallMeJim wrote: post #10

I upvoted solely for the use of an en dash ( – ) in the title, instead of a hyphen ( - ). Probably comes down to personal aesthetics, but I find it looks so much nicer! For users on Windows, I recommend setting up an AutoHotKey script to convert the string "==-" to "–", and "===-" to "—". Easy to type, very intuitive (typing more characters gives a longer-width dash), and gives your carefully crafted email missives a…

Slightly harder to remember, but you can also press Alt+0150 for an en dash or Alt+0151 for an em dash. Works on any machine without any third-party software or configuration!

Can also just use Winkey + . to open the Emoji picker that has a unicode section with the – and — em if you press the Ω icon

Re: Material You – The next stage for Material Design

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

numlock86 wrote: post #38

Ah, yes, the cycle continues. Maybe with Android 15 they bring back shadows and with 20 there will be more colors and Material Design will look like Windows XP again and with Android 30 we are back at something that shows three shades of gray at most, with maybe only a solid colored button somewhere.

Some of the info about the rendering on Googles Fuchsia OS project hints to real time shadow and lighting simulation.

So definitely a possibility for a return to something that looks more like real objects in the future.

Re: Material You – The next stage for Material Design

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Post by pjmlp »

willtim wrote: post #122
coldtea wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PWA for ChromeOS, Flutter for Fuchsia (but yes it is multi-platform), JetPack Compose for Android (but does have some multi-platform stuff coming out). So really it's three. I don't think the parents point is that all those are frameworks. Rather that they have two many frameworks and platforms, with no coherent unified platform strategy (Apple's iOS, macOS, ipadOS, watchOS are all the same under the hood, and thei…

I always thought Dart/Flutter was a hedge against Oracle shutting down Java-usage on Android. Now that they have Kotlin (which devs generally much prefer over the Java-facsimile Dart) and Jetpack, I'm not sure either what relevance Dart/Flutter has to Android.

It has the relevance that many Google teams prefer it to Kotlin, hence internal politics.

Jetpack Compose is clearly a counter movement from Android team.

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