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Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by stryan »

pmoriarty wrote: post #93
vurpo wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Matrix identity server system is entirely optional to use, and basically a separate system from the rest of Matrix. The reason for that is that there's not really any way to implement that specific feature in a decentralized way, so they did the next best thing by making it a centralized server that you can choose to use (opt-in) in case you want people to be able to find your Matrix ID based on your phone number…

"Using the centralized identity server is entirely opt-in" So there are no channels on Matrix that require you to identify yourself before you can join?

Not OP but no channels require you identify yourself through email/phone/etc to join. As far as I know there's not even a mechanism to do that.

Third Party ID's (email etc) are only used for opt-in contact discovery.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by zaik »

newvectorllc wrote: post #54
orblivion wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many would move to Matrix?

Why does it matter? Matrix is no IRC. Fewer clients, way more complex protocol, the identity server is centralized, only one complete server implementation exists (and it seems like that's the only one that will ever exist, other attempts appear dead, despite the list on matrix.org) and worse than Freenode being owned by private capital, all of Matrix is controlled by New Vector LLC -- the protocol, the clients, and…

What about XMPP?

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by atatatat »

dionian wrote: post #37

We got banned from freenode because ircops didn’t like our political speech in our private chat room .. then klined us for pointing out they permit the leftist political chat rooms. I’ve never been so revolted by literal fascists running irc networks. Too bad … the tech communities were decent. Hope they find a new home

Who's we...?

Anyway, many Matrix rooms are welcoming of ignorant people of all flavors, ha — check it out.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by platz »

mxuribe wrote: post #49
Thorentis wrote: post #16

Perhaps this could be the rise of Matrix many of us have been waiting for? I hope many freenode channel operators and admins encourage people in that direction, rather than trying to start alternative IRC networks that will die out.

I sure hope so! ...Not only because "yay, more people on the matrix network"...but because it would bring even more devs and designers (and content writers for documentation!), which would bring continued improvements to the ecosystem of servers and clients/apps as well as the matrix protocol itself! (Obviously, massive shout outs to all who do this tough work already, but more eyes/hands makes the bucket of bugs sha…

I see, so the moral cause you've identified is the opportunity to grab users from freenode and put them onto matrix.

This is like when twitch streamers stab each other in the back over/for subs.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by yakubin »

toyg wrote: post #110
yakubin wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the first IRC drama I'm hearing about. There is more drama in issue trackers of random GitHub projects that surface once a month on HN. I don't know where this perception of IRC comes from. Such a comment shows up under every link commenting on the matter. But it's still just one case.

> This is the first IRC drama I'm hearing about. How old are you? For my generation (40+), IRC and drama are basically synonyms. It seems to have subsumed a lot simply because younger folks don't use it as much as we did.

23. Been using IRC on and off since I was 14.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by that_guy_iain »

gojomo wrote: post #95
eplanit wrote: post #69

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Why did people object? Because "purchased" makes it legitimate?

Not fully up on the controversy, but I suspect because it implied the "freenode IRC network" is something that can be "owned" - when it's more complicated than that. (A company can be owned, legally, sure, but an ongoing-set-of-relationships, & mostly-volunteer processes, is usually something more than property with neat property-title.)

Realistically, the infrastructure for the servers can be replace and when that is done there is a high chance >75% of the users remain. There will always be other people willing to volunteer. I remember the AOL ICQ IRC had volunteer opers and there is no way you can think that wasn't fully a for-profit setup.
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