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Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by asgeir »

godelski wrote: post #368
babypuncher wrote: post #337

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Thanks!!!! I found the option. I've heard great things about proton just didn't realize I had to flip a switch.

You might want to look into GloriousEggroll, it tends to have better support for media and such.

https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom/wiki

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by optymizer »

plantain wrote: post #494
dijit wrote: post #389

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> Because, yeah, having ex-miner cards burn out is a pretty common thing on the used market. This is mostly a myth, miners cards are usually undervolted, and only a subset of the card is used. If your CPU only used it's floating point unit then it wouldn't be as intense as if you were using the whole thing. The only potential issue is thermal damage, but that's hard to place and has to be close to, or in excess of 90…

The core clock is undervolted while mining - but the memory clock is absolutely cranked to the maximum it will support. I've been idly mining on an RTX3080 for 6 months now, and the hashrate has slowly gone down about 20% since new. I suspect the thermal pads on the memory chips are slowly cooking. I replaced them once already and restored a bit of hashrate.

out of curiosity, and if you don't mind sharing that info, how many bitcoins have you mined with 1 card in 6 months?

Did it pay for the electricity and the card itself at the current BTC price?

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by Plyphon_ »

pfisch wrote: post #623
Clewza313 wrote: post #610

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So at around $2500 a pop, you'd be looking at a year just to amortize your costs, and that's assuming BTC stays at its current insane levels. (A mighty assumption, since it's dropped 30% in the last week.)

2080ti's don't cost $2500. ???

You also need the rest of the machine to put it in.

Can't just buy a gpu and plug it into a wall outlet.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by HappySweeney »

balls187 wrote: post #206
HappySweeney wrote: post #41

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Serious miners will go to great lengths to improve their efficiency by even a fraction of 1%. They will absolutely patch some drivers if it gets them better hashes/kwh (which it will or Nvidia wouldn't do this).

Are serious miners buying supply constrained GPUs?

The reason they are supply constrained is because miners are buying most (near all?) of the available stock.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by linspace »

wbraun wrote: post #2

Does this behavior anger anyone else on a deep level? I get that its hard to buy GPUs right now, but this seems like such an attack on general purpose computing. Hardware manufactures already segment features between consumer and busness grade parts that the silicon itself is capable of, such as virtualization, but restricting what algorithms one can run is a whole new level. I am pretty sure my next GPU is going to…

I couldn't care less about crypto mining and I think, right now at least, it's doing more harm than good. But I'm against putting artificial restrictions on general computing, whether or not I agree on the application. So, yes, I think it actually should be illegal for NVidia to do this.

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Post by blagie »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #749
Danieru wrote: post #736

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One of the tactics Nissan ran into big trouble with was their extreme reliance on fleet sales. Fleet sales juiced the profits but killed the used market, thus pushing Nissan's cars down market thanks to reduced resale value. This was an active criticism by investors and journalists during the Nissan down turn. Meanwhile Toyota is able to charge a meaningful premium because their cars retain value. So I do think it is…

You came sooooo close to hitting the nail on the head. The first owners have a huge effect on a resale value of a vehicle. Who buys Toyotas? Why are those people's cars more valuable on the used market than corporate fleet's used cars? Now see if your model explains the used value of a Dodge Journey, oilfield pickup and whatever car grandma owned. Nissan spend the '00s selling to owners who's used cars are not held i…

I'm not so sure. I bought my car mostly to minimize total-cost-of-ownership. I assume I'll resell my car when the TCO of maintenance exceeds the TCO of a new car.

I know a lot of other folks who do something similar to that too.

TCO includes my time, so if I need to take a car to the shop, or miss meetings because things break down, that raises TCO by that opportunity cost. Selling a car is a hassle, and by the time I'm ready to give it up, it's not worth too much (and the buyers will probably be poor, since TCO exceeds a new car) so I don't feel the need to maximize resale value.

While this is an overly rationalist way of phrasing things, but most people I know take a similarly pragmatic approach. Teachers. (Real, not software) engineers. Etc.

I don't buy used cars, since some people sell to upgrade, and some sell because there's some issue. The headache adds a lot to the TCO.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by [deleted] »

akelly wrote: post #441

This won't really do anything for availability or reducing scalper pricing. Miners are a sizeable proportion of sales but far from the majority. Gamers will be able to buy more of these GPUs but less of the non-LHR or AMD GPU's. GPU prices won't actually change. The real reason Nvidia is doing this is that when mining profitability inevitably drops, either because of a crypto price crash or Ethereum moving to Proof o…

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Post by einpoklum »

PeterStuer wrote: post #725
einpoklum wrote: post #711

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I didn't encourage or discourage gaming. Also, mining means stressing the GPU 24-7, gaming is occasional. ... if you're gaming 24-7, then please stop doing that to, it's not good for your physical and emotional well-being :-(

In reality most mining happen with under-clocked GPU cores (and admittedly overclocked VRAM), and at very stable temperatures. The GPU that is used 24/7 for mining will be far less stressed than a GPU that is powered on and off, and cycles through a lot of thermal changes throughout the day

So, will the occasional gaming work still consume more energy / produce more heat?

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Post by plantain »

optymizer wrote: post #752
plantain wrote: post #494

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The core clock is undervolted while mining - but the memory clock is absolutely cranked to the maximum it will support. I've been idly mining on an RTX3080 for 6 months now, and the hashrate has slowly gone down about 20% since new. I suspect the thermal pads on the memory chips are slowly cooking. I replaced them once already and restored a bit of hashrate.

out of curiosity, and if you don't mind sharing that info, how many bitcoins have you mined with 1 card in 6 months? Did it pay for the electricity and the card itself at the current BTC price?

It earns about $6-10US/day, off surplus solar during the day and about 50c of grid electricity through the night.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by batmanthehorse »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #720
einpoklum wrote: post #658

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Please stop doing that. You are just wasting energy.

Las vegas called, they want you to know they have the brightest and most energy consuming lightsource* in the world blasting at the sky, drawing fambling addicts like a moth to a flame. *excluding laser research laboratories and weapons.

they should also stop that
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