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Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by pull_my_finger »

danpalmer wrote: post #23

I don't know about the process of the sale/takeover of Freenode, but I'm a long time PIA user and have a fair amount of trust and goodwill for London Trust Media (the owner of PIA and now Freenode). - PIA is much better designed for privacy than many competitors - They don't seem to get into the "snake oil privacy" marketing that so many VPN providers seem to be doing - They have been fairly open with how their tech…

Have you noticed any significant changes in quality or transparency since the Kape acquisition? There was a lot of concern around that time. I was a happy customer until then, but I chose not to renew at my next term. I'm curious to hear your experience since.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by aerovistae »

supermatt wrote: post #13

A gem from one of the linked chatlogs (Ariadne is security chair for Alpine linux and a prolific FOSS contributer): [23:07:35] i mean, i have important work to do. dealing with an IRC network is not really something i want to be doing this decade outside of fucking around for fun with IRCX [23:07:51] i have code running on two planets

Who is that? And I guess now that I think about it, who is trying to poach him or her? I have no context for this comment and I'm probably not the only one.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by gnulinux »

supermatt wrote: post #13

A gem from one of the linked chatlogs (Ariadne is security chair for Alpine linux and a prolific FOSS contributer): [23:07:35] i mean, i have important work to do. dealing with an IRC network is not really something i want to be doing this decade outside of fucking around for fun with IRCX [23:07:51] i have code running on two planets

I mean, she is right.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by toyg »

After going through a few logs, it looks like the crux of the matter is that things went bad when the previous head Chrystel left.

Andrew Lee argues she was effectively pushed out by a gang of other ops, and he’s “taking it back” to “take it forward” with something that smells like cryptopayments or something.

The admins say Lee, when Freenode Limited was created for admin purposes, originally swore precisely not to do what he’s now doing, and that he got lawyers involved to implement a hostile takeover.

Just sad to see this happening, it looks like there is no possibility for mediation anymore. The result will likely be fragmentation, which probably weakens everyone, but in a way it’s all “very FOSS”, we’re just seeing a project fork.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by dionian »

We got banned from freenode because ircops didn’t like our political speech in our private chat room .. then klined us for pointing out they permit the leftist political chat rooms. I’ve never been so revolted by literal fascists running irc networks. Too bad … the tech communities were decent. Hope they find a new home

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by SamWhited »

thinkingemote wrote: post #28

It seems inevitable that any Good company with great TOS with promises to never turn can be bought and changed towards evil. We've seen it time and time again. It's inevitable? How can we structure these organisations from creation so that this cannot happen? freenode believed the purchaser promises. What should they have done differently?

Be a worker-owned co-op from the get go so that one person can't just sell the whole thing. Or at least have a larger board be the legal representative and don't give the president or whomever the ability to sign contracts without other signoff. I don't know why or how this was possible with Freenode, but it's not hard to prevent.

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Post by oauea »

Sebb767 wrote: post #8
supermatt wrote: post #4

Why was this ever a commercial entity?

> This was done, from what we were informed, to organize our freenode #live conferences, that required a legal body. Source: https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt

With hindsight that sounds like an excuse to make some money.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by [deleted] »

wut42 wrote: post #30
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the connection to PIA? EDIT: Andrew Lee is founder of PIA. From Wikipedia: > The company was founded by the American-born Andrew Lee.[6][7] London Trust Media also owns the Freenode IRC network.[8][failed verification]

It's not owned by PIA now. PIA and London Trust Media was sold by Lee; who moved most other holdings to "Imperial Family Companies", which is effectively the owner of freenode: https://imperialfamily.com

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