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Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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This is a completely vacuous and honestly pretty awful piece. Wow, all of the people she deems to be fundamentally good would never ever go Nazi while all of those she deems to be fundamentally contemptible (often due to their class background, no less) would definitely jump at the chance. What a shocker.

Nazism is fundamentally evil. Author tries to highlight that there are certain types of people that would get attracted. You can see this first hand with softer version - Trumpism, immigrants from Latin America supporting Trump as you had Jewish supporting Hitler.

> Nazism is fundamentally evil.

Be careful with such statements.

Describing something/someone as "fundamentally" evil obscures the fact that things (like extremist politics) happen for reasons. It is these reasons that if addressed, can put a stop to such unpleasantness occurring.

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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post #5

This is a completely vacuous and honestly pretty awful piece. Wow, all of the people she deems to be fundamentally good would never ever go Nazi while all of those she deems to be fundamentally contemptible (often due to their class background, no less) would definitely jump at the chance. What a shocker.

Nazism is fundamentally evil. Author tries to highlight that there are certain types of people that would get attracted. You can see this first hand with softer version - Trumpism, immigrants from Latin America supporting Trump as you had Jewish supporting Hitler.

> Nazism is fundamentally evil.

No disagreement there but I don't think it's good or insightful to assert that the people you find to be personally distasteful are the same people who are likely to associate themselves with evil. Quite the opposite actually!

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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this is great

I enjoy it more every time I read it

I totally get the appeal of nazism or any other movement where you can become part of the Cool Kids group that bullies instead of being bullying

To feel so victimized and disempowered for so long, and then have someone come along and tell you that 'the evil people' stole it all from you and you have to fight to get it back, with physical violence if necessary

It must be an intoxicating and freeing and empowering feeling -- maybe like religious belief -- tho that's just a guess

The out groups change a bit, but like that story says -- it doesn't really matter -- that's just details to the believers

America used to be hella anti-semitic back in the day -- though maybe people and business execs were just more open about it back then?

Chomsky talks about it -- nazi house parties/street rallies in Philly in the 1930s

And the US supported the creation of Israel in part or primarily to not have to accept as many Jewish refugees

There was a nazi rally, promoted as a "pro america" event, at MSG in 1939 -- more than 20,000 people attended.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/20/695941323...

I doubt that any serious political scientists or historians think that democracy is safe in America right now.

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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The author's wiki page says she "was an American journalist and radio broadcaster. She was the first American journalist to be expelled from Nazi Germany in 1934 and was one of the few women news commentators on radio during the 1930s. Thompson is regarded by some as the "First Lady of American Journalism" and was recognized by Time magazine in 1939 as equal in influence to Eleanor Roosevelt."

"While working in Munich, Thompson met and interviewed Adolf Hitler for the first time in 1931. This would be the basis for her subsequent book, I Saw Hitler, in which she wrote about the dangers of him winning power in Germany. Thompson described Hitler in the following terms: "He is formless, almost faceless, a man whose countenance is a caricature, a man whose framework seems cartilaginous, without bones. He is inconsequent and voluble, ill poised and insecure. He is the very prototype of the little man." ...The Nazis considered both the book and her articles offensive and, in August 1934, Thompson was expelled from Germany."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Thompson

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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The author's wiki page says she "was an American journalist and radio broadcaster. She was the first American journalist to be expelled from Nazi Germany in 1934 and was one of the few women news commentators on radio during the 1930s. Thompson is regarded by some as the "First Lady of American Journalism" and was recognized by Time magazine in 1939 as equal in influence to Eleanor Roosevelt." "While working in Munic…

"Thompson is regarded by some as the "First Lady of American Journalism" and was recognized by Time magazine in 1939"

Time Magazine made Hitler man of the year in 1938 and Stalin in 1939.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year#1930s

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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The author's wiki page says she "was an American journalist and radio broadcaster. She was the first American journalist to be expelled from Nazi Germany in 1934 and was one of the few women news commentators on radio during the 1930s. Thompson is regarded by some as the "First Lady of American Journalism" and was recognized by Time magazine in 1939 as equal in influence to Eleanor Roosevelt." "While working in Munic…

"Thompson is regarded by some as the "First Lady of American Journalism" and was recognized by Time magazine in 1939" Time Magazine made Hitler man of the year in 1938 and Stalin in 1939. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year#1930s

I'm not sure what your point is...?

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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this is great I enjoy it more every time I read it I totally get the appeal of nazism or any other movement where you can become part of the Cool Kids group that bullies instead of being bullying To feel so victimized and disempowered for so long, and then have someone come along and tell you that 'the evil people' stole it all from you and you have to fight to get it back, with physical violence if necessary It must…

>I doubt that any serious political scientists or historians think that democracy is safe in America right now.

Democracy is never safe, the people can always vote in a tyrant if given an enemy and a scapegoat.

In the US, it's assumed that liberty is unassailable due to the vigilance of America's armed militias and populace, yet we've seen they'll happily support an authoritarian who targets leftists and immigrants and leaves their guns alone.

And as far as anti-semitism goes, it's still alive and well, just not as overt. People talk about "the globalist elites" and "New York liberals" and "cultural Marxists" without realizing how much modern "Conservative" dialogue is just repurposing the dog-whistle terms of anti-Semites. Nazi ideals have been rebranded as scientific racism and fascism as dark enlightenment philosophy. You can literally take the scare narrative around BLM, cancel culture and "the left" and just search and replace "the left" with "the Jews" and most of it wouldn't be at all out of place in the 1940s. People still think /pol/ is just harmless edgelord kids LARPing, and they still argue the Capitol insurrection was just nothing but minor vandalism and memes.

Unlike in the 1940s, the modern framework of hatred is constructed to allow plausible deniability, because we live in a post-Nazim world, so extremism has to rebrand and adapt to survive. The people waving Nazi flags and doing Hitler salutes at rallies are clowns - hateful, dangerous clowns, but clowns nonetheless - wedded to an obsolete model of fascism that flourishes online but is too easily taken down in public. But when tyranny comes to the US, it will come draped in an American flag and carrying a Bible. It will be presentable, calm, rational. No tyrant will need to rant openly about the Jews or other undesirables, because we've all been trained to connect the dots and read between the lines, and we can all pretend we didn't know even when the bodies start to stink.

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Thompson is regarded by some as the "First Lady of American Journalism" and was recognized by Time magazine in 1939" Time Magazine made Hitler man of the year in 1938 and Stalin in 1939. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year#1930s

I'm not sure what your point is...?

A lot of effort is being put forth in this thread to discredit the article and its author. It's weird how defensive an article from the 1940s about actual, literal, card-carry big-N Nazis is making people.

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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The author's wiki page says she "was an American journalist and radio broadcaster. She was the first American journalist to be expelled from Nazi Germany in 1934 and was one of the few women news commentators on radio during the 1930s. Thompson is regarded by some as the "First Lady of American Journalism" and was recognized by Time magazine in 1939 as equal in influence to Eleanor Roosevelt." "While working in Munic…

"Thompson is regarded by some as the "First Lady of American Journalism" and was recognized by Time magazine in 1939" Time Magazine made Hitler man of the year in 1938 and Stalin in 1939. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year#1930s

Time Magazine's "person of the year" was about running a feature on a figure who had a significant impact on the world recently, not necessarily about celebrating and approving of said figure.
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