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Re: Researchers, lawmakers want Facebook's mental health research

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Post by gerdesj »

julienb_sea wrote: post #9
bseidensticker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you calling Facebook "carefully moderated"?

I certainly am calling Facebook and other mainstream social media more carefully moderated than off-the-beaten-path social networks which glorify anorexia, self-harm and other disorders.

Your very words: "off-the-beaten-path" describes the difference between FB and ... them.

FB does seem to have a moderation system of sorts but it cannot possibly cope with the tsunami of incoming content. FB cannot be considered moderated in any meaningful way unless FB employs a significant proportion of the world's population.

So, I do not agree with you that FB effectively moderate their forum/network. I don't care about other forums/networks - that's whataboutery.

I assert that FB routinely allows: misogyny, misandry, racism and all other forms of hate speech to permeate their network without effective detection, identification and control of such.

Call me out.

Re: Researchers, lawmakers want Facebook's mental health research

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Post by crystalball909 »

will we live to see the day of wanting to 'work for a faang' as seeming as morally repugnant as wanting to work for monsanto, blackwater, etc? i guess nobody cares _really_ because everyone is addicted to their products, and no one wants to stop using the products because of fear of missing out. they should look into seeing if this stuff is actually making people depressed

Re: Researchers, lawmakers want Facebook's mental health research

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Post by wutbrodo »

munk-a wrote: post #19
guerrilla wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we only feel and think this way because that wss prior to a wider and more gradual Eternal September. I don't think we can go back at this point.

I'd actually attribute that to the technical inaccessibility of the internet meaning that, while not everyone on the internet at that point was smart, they were almost all curious about new things. The user base of the early internet was basically self-selected to be quite full of skeptics.

Yup, you can see this effect all the way to the 2010s, before which "Internet kid" was practically a subculture (or group of subcultures). Once everybody arrived on Facebook, the Internet became an almost-universal social phenomenon. This is cool in its own way, but it also means that "internet people" converges rapidly to "people".

Re: Researchers, lawmakers want Facebook's mental health research

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Post by goldcd »

goldcd wrote: post #33

I've no love for Facebook and the rest of social media - I can't help but hear this latest warning as just the current "think of the children". We've had Elvis's hips, communists, hippies, satanic rock, video-nasties, murder-simulating computer games, raves and have worked our way through at least 3 waves of 'internet panic' My guess is we'll rank this discussion in retrospect the same way as those previous 'issues'…

As my opinion appears less popular than I'd expected.

I'd be humbly interested to know what populist historical saving of youth policy (specifically when you were a youth), you think was worthwile.

After posting I did realize I'd omitted the "parental advisory" sticker on CDs.. I still think this is my favourite.

Re: Researchers, lawmakers want Facebook's mental health research

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Post by [deleted] »

julienb_sea wrote: post #9
bseidensticker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you calling Facebook "carefully moderated"?

I certainly am calling Facebook and other mainstream social media more carefully moderated than off-the-beaten-path social networks which glorify anorexia, self-harm and other disorders.

[deleted]

Re: Researchers, lawmakers want Facebook's mental health research

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

crystalball909 wrote: post #42

will we live to see the day of wanting to 'work for a faang' as seeming as morally repugnant as wanting to work for monsanto, blackwater, etc? i guess nobody cares _really_ because everyone is addicted to their products, and no one wants to stop using the products because of fear of missing out. they should look into seeing if this stuff is actually making people depressed

It already is the same to me. I do not respect anyone that works for Facebook. They are the same as working for RJ Reynolds tobacco to me. There is no safe dosage or way to use the Facebook product. Maybe we thought there was, but I don't know of anyone that is not harmed by it that has an account.

Apple - some things good (well designed products), some things bad (phone addiction is a real problem, but they do at least try to make a token attempt to curb it)

Amazon - some things good (cheap products at my door instantly almost, don't have to drive and go shop and get ripped off/not find what I need), some things bad (warehouse workers treatment, every product is 4.5 stars even if it is boxed dog crap)

Netflix - sure, probably ok, not harming humans

Google - losing my respect, don't be evil mantra turning into irony

Re: Researchers, lawmakers want Facebook's mental health research

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Post by sneak »

crystalball909 wrote: post #42

will we live to see the day of wanting to 'work for a faang' as seeming as morally repugnant as wanting to work for monsanto, blackwater, etc? i guess nobody cares _really_ because everyone is addicted to their products, and no one wants to stop using the products because of fear of missing out. they should look into seeing if this stuff is actually making people depressed

> will we live to see the day of wanting to 'work for a faang' as seeming as morally repugnant as wanting to work for monsanto, blackwater, etc?

Unlikely; I still see resumes with Palantir on them and they're taken seriously in SV companies even outside of the military-industrial complex.

Ultimately most people don't have the energy or economic incentive to care as long as their $15k paychecks show up every month.

Re: Researchers, lawmakers want Facebook's mental health research

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Post by mxcrossr »

throwaway292893 wrote: post #22
galonk wrote: post #4

Facebook is the new tobacco industry.

You mean social media giants are the new tobacco industry, or just Facebook specifically?

Facebook seems to really have become the whipping boy, despite their falling relevance. Imagine what these depression studies would look like if you did Reddit or 4chan. They get it no matter what they do too. Fail to stop the spread of misinformation in 2016? Come before Congress. Do too much censoring in 2020? Time to break up big tech.

Re: Researchers, lawmakers want Facebook's mental health research

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Post by goldcd »

treeman79 wrote: post #39
goldcd wrote: post #33

I've no love for Facebook and the rest of social media - I can't help but hear this latest warning as just the current "think of the children". We've had Elvis's hips, communists, hippies, satanic rock, video-nasties, murder-simulating computer games, raves and have worked our way through at least 3 waves of 'internet panic' My guess is we'll rank this discussion in retrospect the same way as those previous 'issues'…

Watching a happy and polite teenage daughter become horrifically depressed and nasty when on social media is a gut punch. Several years of off of it for multiple months. Very happy. On it for a couple of months. Depressed and nasty. Every single time. We were always the bad guys for restricting. She’s moved out and married now. Now talks about how depressed she gets on it.

Yes. It must be social media. Teenagers were previously well known for being bundles of joy. And for thanking their parents for imposing rules. Still, good to know that you were right and she knows this now.
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