All I know is my dog sometimes yips in his sleep, and it can be fairly loud-- I will forever wonder what he's yipping at, or how that behavior could possibly be selected for. Brains are weird.
The overfitted brain: Dreams evolved to assist generalization
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Re: The overfitted brain: Dreams evolved to assist generalization
#32All I know is my dog sometimes yips in his sleep, and it can be fairly loud-- I will forever wonder what he's yipping at, or how that behavior could possibly be selected for. Brains are weird.
I thought dreams only happen durring rem and you are paralyzed durring rem stages. So you wouldn't be physically reacting to anything. I think those movements only happen in other stages of sleep
That seems suspicious to me given that a) REM is named for movement, and b) these mechanisms definitely aren't perfect, as things like night terrors and sleepwalking demonstrate.
For what it's worth, the American Kennel Club claims that dog motions do happen during REM: "We can’t know exactly what dogs dream about, but researchers have observed that certain breeds of dogs tend to perform breed-specific behavior in their sleep when the pons is inactivated. Pointers, for instance, point, and English Springer Spaniels exhibit flushing behavior during REM sleep." https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/why-dog-twitch-i...
Re: The overfitted brain: Dreams evolved to assist generalization
#33> Notably, the techniques that researchers employ to rescue overfitted artificial neural networks generally involve sampling from an out-of-distribution or randomized dataset. The overfitted brain hypothesis is that the brains of organisms similarly face the challenge of fitting too well to their daily distribution of stimuli, causing overfitting and poor generalization. By hallucinating out-of-distribution sensory s…
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought dreams only happen durring rem and you are paralyzed durring rem stages. So you wouldn't be physically reacting to anything. I think those movements only happen in other stages of sleep
What's your source for the paralysis being complete during REM and movements happening only during other stages? That seems suspicious to me given that a) REM is named for movement, and b) these mechanisms definitely aren't perfect, as things like night terrors and sleepwalking demonstrate. For what it's worth, the American Kennel Club claims that dog motions do happen during REM: "We can’t know exactly what dogs dre…
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120711131030.h...
sleepwalking isn't related to rem stage, most movement doesn't occur during rem stages
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleepwalking/....
https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hw48331
I don't think its farfetched to guess this applies to other mammals
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember 1-3 dreams every night. All my dreams are vivid dreams, where I know they are dreams while they are happening and I even have some degree of control over the content.
Those are "lucid dreams". My experience is that lucid dreams do lead to you be tired, probably because we tends to wake up after lucid dreams, though we wake up momentarily in normal life too, we just don't remember it. Maybe lucid dreaming overrides the benefits of sleep since the mind is actively engaged again. It's all fascinating, and there are no real answers whatsoever. Also, side questions: 1. Is your working…
Memory is good. It used to be even better (I could recite important parts of meetings verbatim when I first joined my company 9 years ago). I think I'm still above average, but I'm not sure how to rule out bias on that.
I've never taken an actual IQ test. When I was 5 my verbal/vocabulary skills tested on the level of a normal 10 year old. I was curious about IQ in college and took 2 unofficial tests which turned out very consistent with scores of 121 and 124. I don't really see a lot of value in IQ tests, even the official ones.
The dreams vary. Some are very detailed. Some might not be, or it's just that I don't remember as much detail except in the final dream of the night (I sometimes remember up to 3 dreams per night). Usually they are logical/realistic, but sometimes include unrealistic elements (that I know during the dream are unreal). I can usually remember the chain of events in the final dream of the night very well. I can usually remember the order that I had the dreams in too. The earlier dreams I can usually remember the high level chain of events for the other dreams, but maybe not the smaller details.
Any reason for the questions?
Re: The overfitted brain: Dreams evolved to assist generalization
#36> Sleep loss, specifically dream loss, leads to an overfitted brain that can still memorize and learn but fails to generalize appropriately Curious where this claim came from. Obviously a lack of sleep will degrade your day-to-day performance, but I almost never have dreams.
Or you just don’t remember them.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's your source for the paralysis being complete during REM and movements happening only during other stages? That seems suspicious to me given that a) REM is named for movement, and b) these mechanisms definitely aren't perfect, as things like night terrors and sleepwalking demonstrate. For what it's worth, the American Kennel Club claims that dog motions do happen during REM: "We can’t know exactly what dogs dre…
This is fairly easy to google its pretty basic sleep info... https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120711131030.h... sleepwalking isn't related to rem stage, most movement doesn't occur during rem stages https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleepwalking/... . https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hw48331 I don't think its farfetched to guess this applies to other mammals
And since we're talking specifically about your claim about dogs, I'd like the dog reference specifically, please.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or you just don’t remember them.
It's a very distinct feeling waking up thinking "I did not dream last night" vs "I had a dream last night but don't remember it" IMO
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is fairly easy to google its pretty basic sleep info... https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120711131030.h... sleepwalking isn't related to rem stage, most movement doesn't occur during rem stages https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleepwalking/... . https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hw48331 I don't think its farfetched to guess this applies to other mammals
I'm not saying it isn't the general case. I'm saying it isn't absolute. I also am not saying sleepwalking is part of REM; I'm saying it is an example of how mechanisms for quiescence are not perfect. And since we're talking specifically about your claim about dogs, I'd like the dog reference specifically, please.
This suggests that all mammals brain work simmiliar and are paralyzed durring rem.
I'm not sure why your bringing up sleepwalking and night terrors, those don't occur durring rem, so it had nothing to do with paralysis disfunctioning
And I'm not even sure what point your getting at with your comments? Just demanding sources. I feel like you can Google these things your self
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#40I have too many dreams. It actually sucks since you don't get great sleep.