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To add on: none of it is malicious. its just the market stabalization problem a) let's keep consumer grade stuff stable in price b) let's charge miners 3x, because they willing to pay 3x, and destroy the scalping market which is VERY anti everything. Scalpers hurt literally everyone. c) let's not de-stabalize nvidia's income again when eth drops in value. They don't want to be beholden to a coin's gamble either. Basi…
Scalpers hurt literally everyone. They help people who are willing to pay the higher prices, and they provide a market signal encouraging producers to increase output.
Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards
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#432I have a dumb theoretical question, but I genuinely don't understand the answer. Why wouldn't nvidia and amd or any other card maker just keep the cards and mine all the cryptocurrency for themselves?
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If this works (spoiler: it won't, it will be cracked within a month), it will create more e-Waste as miners will toss their no-video-output-mining-only cards after they're no longer the latest tech, instead of being able to resell them to gamers, thinning the used graphics card market, forcing more gamers to buy new from nVidia instead of rebuying old cards online. That makes me angry, it should make you angry too.
This can be just as easier, and probably more truthfully, read as "miners can no longer make the used market a minefield by selling overtaxed consumer cards without disclosing their provenance." Because, yeah, having ex-miner cards burn out is a pretty common thing on the used market. Great! Cryptocurrencies are not inherently good or valuable and cryptocurrency people aren't special and their world-burning habits an…
Actually, miners optimise for computation/kWh of electricity (versus computation/16ms of time for gamers), which leads to running mining GPUs at significantly lower wear and tear level (lower voltage scaling, lower clock rate, etc) than gaming GPUs.
> having ex-miner cards burn out is a pretty common thing on the used market.
Having used GPUs in general burn out is somewhat common, but it's less common for ex-miner cards than for ex-gamer cards.
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Aren't scalpers only there because the product is clearly underpriced? Why not increase prices till the scalpers are gone or simply auction the GPUs off? That's clearly what the market is pointing at.
Because the scalpers won’t go away. There will always be some poor sap willing to pay double market value for a scalped product.
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It's honestly pretty surprising to me to see how many people on here are supporting this move. That's not what I would expect, I would expect people on HN to object to this move on principle. Maybe my prediction in where most HN commenters stand in principle on this issue is wrong, or just maybe, this is a rare example of a time when the principle (hardware should be free to run at their max capability, not deliberat…
It's honestly pretty surprising to me to see how many people on here are supporting this move. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised. Support for general purpose computing and user freedom has fallen substantially in the last several years. Look at iOS, where many geeks are happy to have a megacorporation tell you what you're allowed to run on "your" hardware.
But to be fair to them, maybe they are not stating the reasons because they worry that voicing their fears would be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Then why is Elon Musk trading Bitcoins? Tesla makes more money trading Bitcoin than selling cars. https://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-makes-more-money-trading-...
Because Tesla's most valuable product aside from the cars is the memes. I am not kidding. It seems a substantial proportion of TSLA buyers aren't really interested in its fundamentals but like what Elon tweets out.
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Prices have been raised. You can buy an RTX 3080 right now if you want. It's just going to cost you $2500 or so because vendors and scalpers are capturing that markup.
Sounds like Nvidia hasn't actually raised the price. They could just auction this off from their website directly and cut out the middle man.
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Keep being angry. It will be much larger in future, and use magnitudes more energy. Either make peace (with the drumbeat of human progression), or spend your days being angry at something you don’t understand. Your choice!
randomhodler84, have you heard the phrase "last man holding the bag?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagholder This crypt ponzi scheme turned the natural progression of itself into a meme that reinforces itself. But GME is at $180, so you could be right. Stupidity could yet win and our future could be doomed to feed an ever increasing amount of resources into accounting. I hope it's just mania and we can go back to re…
Argument: money is a meme. Bitcoin could be the strongest meme ever, as demonstrated by its consumption of energy, a proxy for human perceived value. Arguing over energy is just arguing over human preference.
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I can't believe this is so downvoted. So I, a gaming consumer, have to compete with bots every release because there's so much money in accommodating miner demand for the same cards? That's ridiculous
No, that's arbitrage.
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#440I “know” miners are buying cards up and converting energy to heat while many would list climate change as important to them... but is there any proof it’s miners driving the demand?