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Re: LaMDA: Google's New Conversation Technology

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Post by yumraj »

moralestapia wrote: post #24

>“I just started taking guitar lessons.” >You might expect another person to respond with something like: >“How exciting! My mom has a vintage Martin that she loves to play.” Not really IMO, I think they just pushed it to just say "whatever's related to the topic". People who behave like that irl come off as self-absorbed and obnoxious most of the time, hope future AIs are not like that!

Exactly!

I'll probably say, "Cool!!.", "Electric or Acoustic?", "Why guitar?", "How are you finding it, easy or hard - I've been meaning to take lessons". "Do you like your teacher?" ....

I guess, if my mom played and had a vintage Martin then... who knows?...

I believe the primary issue with conversational AI is that, at best, is 1-person, while humans are infinite-people. Hell, even a single person is multiple-people depending on the context and mood at that moment and other factors - in the sense that depending on context/mood/etc. a person may reply in different ways.

Conversational AI cannot capture that, it can be simply a drone..

Re: LaMDA: Google's New Conversation Technology

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Post by epr »

jsnell wrote: post #32
epr wrote: post #19

We really need to stop calling things "lambda". You'd think Google would grasp the concept of unique names on the internet, but I suppose they can always push their own stuff to the top.

Unless the title has a typo, this is not called "lambda". It's "lamda".

searches on google

google: did you mean lambda?

Re: LaMDA: Google's New Conversation Technology

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Post by optymizer »

moralestapia wrote: post #24

>“I just started taking guitar lessons.” >You might expect another person to respond with something like: >“How exciting! My mom has a vintage Martin that she loves to play.” Not really IMO, I think they just pushed it to just say "whatever's related to the topic". People who behave like that irl come off as self-absorbed and obnoxious most of the time, hope future AIs are not like that!

A lot of this is cultural, imo. I grew up in Eastern Europe, where it's very common to have two people talking exactly in that way about a common topic: "X? Yeah, my mom Y".

It took me a while to learn that I can come across as self-absorbed and obnoxious in the US when speaking that way, so I have to consciously remember to ask questions about the person or the topic they presented, and avoid introducing my own related topic, but then I never know when it's OK or how to actually switch topics (since, like the article mentions, conversations do flow from on topic to another) and I become anxious during the conversation.

Even this comment is about me. Could someone suggest how I could have responded in a way that doesn't sound self-absorbed?

Re: LaMDA: Google's New Conversation Technology

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Post by robertlagrant »

moralestapia wrote: post #24

>“I just started taking guitar lessons.” >You might expect another person to respond with something like: >“How exciting! My mom has a vintage Martin that she loves to play.” Not really IMO, I think they just pushed it to just say "whatever's related to the topic". People who behave like that irl come off as self-absorbed and obnoxious most of the time, hope future AIs are not like that!

> People who behave like that irl come off as

Perhaps it would be better to specify that that's how you interpret this. Your own proclivities do not represent the world.

Re: LaMDA: Google's New Conversation Technology

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Post by moralestapia »

robertlagrant wrote: post #45
moralestapia wrote: post #24

>“I just started taking guitar lessons.” >You might expect another person to respond with something like: >“How exciting! My mom has a vintage Martin that she loves to play.” Not really IMO, I think they just pushed it to just say "whatever's related to the topic". People who behave like that irl come off as self-absorbed and obnoxious most of the time, hope future AIs are not like that!

> People who behave like that irl come off as Perhaps it would be better to specify that that's how you interpret this. Your own proclivities do not represent the world.

IMO means In My Opinion

Re: LaMDA: Google's New Conversation Technology

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Post by afro88 »

arebop wrote: post #14
easton wrote: post #7

How long until this is integrated product side? It seems like they bring up these really cool demos that seem like the Star Trek computer every couple years, but Assistant can't do a whole lot more than Siri or Alexa still.

IME, Assistant did do a whole lot more than Siri or Alexa in the past. It had a similar set of features, but with Assistant I could speak casually and with Alexa/Siri it was necessary to learn specific trigger phrases. More recently I find that Alexa has caught up. And maybe Assistant has gotten worse. Not sure about Siri.

Can assistant make calls to book your haircut with a real person yet? That was hugely exciting at a google io demo about 3-4 years ago

Re: LaMDA: Google's New Conversation Technology

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Post by thanhhaimai »

Mizza wrote: post #27
moralestapia wrote: post #24

>“I just started taking guitar lessons.” >You might expect another person to respond with something like: >“How exciting! My mom has a vintage Martin that she loves to play.” Not really IMO, I think they just pushed it to just say "whatever's related to the topic". People who behave like that irl come off as self-absorbed and obnoxious most of the time, hope future AIs are not like that!

I came here to point this out - this is how people from California communicate. They simply take turns talking about themselves, orbiting around the same subject until somebody says something with enough gravity to drag the conversation into its next orbit. It was really off-putting when I first arrived, I got used to it over time, though I still don't like it and it's sad to see it used as the default model for this…

I'm not sure this is something unique to California. Travelling around, it seems that it's more correlated to people's income level. Richer people tend to talk about themselves more, in both Asia and EU. Maybe it's because they are able to experience more given their wealth/status, thus having more topic to talk about. Or maybe they get wealthy because of that self-centric attitude.

In short, I don't think it's a California unique characteristic.

Re: LaMDA: Google's New Conversation Technology

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Post by afro88 »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #16
andrewtbham wrote: post #15

I have been researching making a therapy chat bot for years... it's going to happen. https://github.com/andrewt3000/carl_voice

To be honest, the thought of AI doing therapy (and it's reliance on big data) sounds very black mirror to me. How long do you think it'll take ad companies to do an end run around patient protections and start serving ads based on "metadata"? Got anxiety? Try our new meds! Worried about the future? How about some life insurance or annuities? Etc. Things will get very exploitative very fast.

Worse than that: as an influence on the conversational AI model, to push certain products by weighting responses that recommend them higher. Less hassle than throwing a conference for doctors and sending reps out to give them free stationery every month

Re: LaMDA: Google's New Conversation Technology

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Post by adrianmonk »

epr wrote: post #43
jsnell wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless the title has a typo, this is not called "lambda". It's "lamda".

searches on google google: did you mean lambda?

I mean, you could have.

If they had returned, "Showing results for lambda", "Search instead for lamda", then that would have definitely been a problem.

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