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The 1788 Doctors' Riot

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Re: The 1788 Doctors' Riot

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I'd love a good riot against Physicians in 2021. 2 centuries of corruption has lined their pockets and caused the rest of us to avoid medical care. I say this as I'm married to a doctor taking home 200-250k/yr. I don't mind shooting myself in the foot to save life.

I would look up the ladder before blaming physicians. It's not the high salary of the doctor that's inflated the cost of medical care. It's insurance, middlemen, overpaid administrators, and the general move to for-profit medicine that's to blame in my experience. Doctors make good money, but they also go through 8 years of expensive schooling to get there and are often just making ends meet for years after school.

Not in the industry, and these are complex issues, but the AMA is made up of doctors and is also a huge part of how medical professionals are qualified and has heavy influence on how funding for training, etc. is allocated. So while an individual physician may not be 'the problem', blaming the AMA (and so 'physicians') shouldn't be dismissed outright in favor of the other groups you mention, which are also part of the problem

Re: The 1788 Doctors' Riot

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post #7

I'd love a good riot against Physicians in 2021. 2 centuries of corruption has lined their pockets and caused the rest of us to avoid medical care. I say this as I'm married to a doctor taking home 200-250k/yr. I don't mind shooting myself in the foot to save life.

I would look up the ladder before blaming physicians. It's not the high salary of the doctor that's inflated the cost of medical care. It's insurance, middlemen, overpaid administrators, and the general move to for-profit medicine that's to blame in my experience. Doctors make good money, but they also go through 8 years of expensive schooling to get there and are often just making ends meet for years after school.

Where did you see that years of education "should" or in general "do" lead to higher salaries lol ?

Re: The 1788 Doctors' Riot

#13
post #2

I was surprised not to see any mention of Burke & Hare under the “See Also” section: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_and_Hare_murders These guys started out doing roughly the same as those doctors - robbing freshly dug graves for anatomical study - but they moved on to killing to provide the bodies instead. Pretty grim

One of the classic true crime story.

Edit: that facial reconstruction of William Burke is really interesting.

Re: The 1788 Doctors' Riot

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post #12
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would look up the ladder before blaming physicians. It's not the high salary of the doctor that's inflated the cost of medical care. It's insurance, middlemen, overpaid administrators, and the general move to for-profit medicine that's to blame in my experience. Doctors make good money, but they also go through 8 years of expensive schooling to get there and are often just making ends meet for years after school.

Where did you see that years of education "should" or in general "do" lead to higher salaries lol ?

How do you incentivize people to spend 8 years of irrecoverable youth studying, and taking on the risk of succeeding and finding work after? Most people are simply not that interested in learning for learning's sake - and even if they were it wouldn't necessarily be a practical enough choice to generate enough doctors to satisfy the needs of society...

Re: The 1788 Doctors' Riot

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I'd love a good riot against Physicians in 2021. 2 centuries of corruption has lined their pockets and caused the rest of us to avoid medical care. I say this as I'm married to a doctor taking home 200-250k/yr. I don't mind shooting myself in the foot to save life.

Healthcare is so corrupt that life expectancy in the US went from 40 years old in 1880 to nearly 80 years old today. What a crime! https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy

Re: The 1788 Doctors' Riot

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No doctors actually rioted; thus the title words Doctors' Riot seems strange

In that era riots were often named for locations or the thing/person/event that instigated them. So, rather than it being a statement of who was rioting, it was an assertion for the reason for the riot. That's why we have the Sacheverell (sp?) and Gordon Riots: the first was sparked by the prosecution of an important prelate, the second was instigated by an English nobleman who opposed the restoration of rights to Catholic Englishmen.

Re: The 1788 Doctors' Riot

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post #8

No doctors actually rioted; thus the title words Doctors' Riot seems strange

I agree. The implication is the opposite of reality, and I can't help but feel it's intentional.

It's not intentional. It's just that how we described riots changed from the 18th C to today. Now we often describe who is rioting in the name of the riot. Back then they would often describe what sparked the riot in the name as opposed to who was rioting.

Re: The 1788 Doctors' Riot

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post #2

I was surprised not to see any mention of Burke & Hare under the “See Also” section: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_and_Hare_murders These guys started out doing roughly the same as those doctors - robbing freshly dug graves for anatomical study - but they moved on to killing to provide the bodies instead. Pretty grim

> but they moved on to killing to provide the bodies instead

Wasn't H. H. Holmes also accused of this? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_H_Holmes)

Re: The 1788 Doctors' Riot

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post #2

I was surprised not to see any mention of Burke & Hare under the “See Also” section: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_and_Hare_murders These guys started out doing roughly the same as those doctors - robbing freshly dug graves for anatomical study - but they moved on to killing to provide the bodies instead. Pretty grim

It's there now! Was added after you wrote this and before I read your comment.

Re: The 1788 Doctors' Riot

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post #2

I was surprised not to see any mention of Burke & Hare under the “See Also” section: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_and_Hare_murders These guys started out doing roughly the same as those doctors - robbing freshly dug graves for anatomical study - but they moved on to killing to provide the bodies instead. Pretty grim

It's there now! Was added after you wrote this and before I read your comment.

Oh great! I was considering adding it later on but I was on the tram and didn't fancy fiddling with wikipedia on my phone :D
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