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Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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interesting philosophical question that intersects with "right to repair" and "ownership of digital purchases". when you buy a product does the company get to dictate what you can do with it.

When you buy a product? No.

When you purchase a license agreement for software that the product depends on? Yes.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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I find the prospect of being able to add more overhead and potential bugs into a product to remove a niche functionality in a move that reeks of PR marketing driven solution, too be of bad taste. Whilst the overhead will be so small I doubt it will be measurable, it still is not zero and only adds the possibility that some workloads of non crypto currency origins fall foul of this in ways that may not be easy to discern.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Does this behavior anger anyone else on a deep level? I get that its hard to buy GPUs right now, but this seems like such an attack on general purpose computing. Hardware manufactures already segment features between consumer and busness grade parts that the silicon itself is capable of, such as virtualization, but restricting what algorithms one can run is a whole new level. I am pretty sure my next GPU is going to…

Given that they are struggling to ramp up production to meet demand this seems like a perfectly acceptable move when they are essentially unable to serve their most loyal customers.

The problem really is that cryptominers will happily scale their purchases arbitrarily high

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

#34
post #15

Can't drive people to the mining cards they've released if you have everyone using the consumer hardware. As someone who really likes the performance and ecosystem around NVIDIA cards this makes me happy, because I'll probably be able to own one sometime before the heat death of the universe if trends like this continue. But, "To help get GeForce GPUs in the hands of gamers," Is a load of crock. They have a new minin…

It doesn’t seem like a load of crock to me. I don’t know why they would even bother creating a separate line for miners unless they were worried about essentially telling the whole gaming market “too bad” indefinitely. That might be more lucrative in the short term because miners are willing to pay more than gamers for the same card, but nvidia probably don’t want to just burn their bridge to the gaming community.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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post #15

Can't drive people to the mining cards they've released if you have everyone using the consumer hardware. As someone who really likes the performance and ecosystem around NVIDIA cards this makes me happy, because I'll probably be able to own one sometime before the heat death of the universe if trends like this continue. But, "To help get GeForce GPUs in the hands of gamers," Is a load of crock. They have a new minin…

Their stated purpose is still true. They want to get these GPUs to gamers and their mining GPUs to miners.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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post #2

Does this behavior anger anyone else on a deep level? I get that its hard to buy GPUs right now, but this seems like such an attack on general purpose computing. Hardware manufactures already segment features between consumer and busness grade parts that the silicon itself is capable of, such as virtualization, but restricting what algorithms one can run is a whole new level. I am pretty sure my next GPU is going to…

Indeed. I buy fast computers because they are fun toys. What if I want to play around with password cracking on my gaming machine? Is the hardware going to detect that I am running hash algorithms and throttle it? Is this a game reserved for state-level players behind closed doors?

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Total hardware noob here. How do they do it? Is there a particular instruction that ETH needs to be "efficient" but games can live with throttled? Or perhaps a sequence of instructions that's signature to ETH?

Going to be a fun future game of cat-and-mouse as miners figure out how to disable/bypass nvidia’s electronic countermeasures.

Couldn't one just not upgrade their drivers? NVIDIA has no way of crippling an offline system.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is someone mining on GPUs they bought themselves infringing on your freedom, pray tell?

The extra power usage is destroying our planet all for someone to try and make a quick buck, and causing shortages of GPUs during a pandemic where mental health from entertainment like gaming is valuable and stops people from going outside and getting/spreading the virus. The incentives for crypto all are f'ed up right now. The ETH PoS switch can't come soon enough.

So earning income is less important than letting people play video games? Let's just say I'm unconvinced by this argument.
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