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Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by ericmay »

Grimm1 wrote: post #15

Can't drive people to the mining cards they've released if you have everyone using the consumer hardware. As someone who really likes the performance and ecosystem around NVIDIA cards this makes me happy, because I'll probably be able to own one sometime before the heat death of the universe if trends like this continue. But, "To help get GeForce GPUs in the hands of gamers," Is a load of crock. They have a new minin…

Can't it be both? Seems like a win-win for Nvidia and gamers.

I can genuinely see a company like Nvidia getting a lot of customer feedback and maybe employees actually caring that gamers can get their hands on Nvidia's cards.

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Post by Scoundreller »

plttn wrote: post #7
inetsee wrote: post #3

Didn't Nvidia try this on some different cards recently? And wasn't it only about a week before there was a patch that undid what Nvidia had done?

My unfounded speculation is that the 3060Ti limiter (which was mostly bypassed due to an accidental leak of dev drivers) acted as a bit of a test balloon to see how it would be attacked before implementing it on the 3070/3080 silicon.

I wonder if the « accidental » release was to avoid the motivation for a massive lawsuit.

If apple can get sued for « excessive » throttling when batteries lose peak cranking amps, nvidia would fare much worse.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by Alekhine »

Scoundreller wrote: post #19
skytreader wrote: post #18

Total hardware noob here. How do they do it? Is there a particular instruction that ETH needs to be "efficient" but games can live with throttled? Or perhaps a sequence of instructions that's signature to ETH?

Going to be a fun future game of cat-and-mouse as miners figure out how to disable/bypass nvidia’s electronic countermeasures.

It'll be a good opportunity to see some nice hardware hacks, sure. But I'd guess serious miners don't really wanna deal with that shit and will just buy the miner-specific cards or use ASICs. This measure just raises the bar enough to make it a hassle.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by belltaco »

arthurcolle wrote: post #10
creato wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is unfortunate, but it is less unfortunate than the behavior of crypto miners. Freedom is great when people aren't using their freedom to infringe on other people's freedom.

How is someone mining on GPUs they bought themselves infringing on your freedom, pray tell?

The extra power usage is destroying our planet all for someone to try and make a quick buck, and causing shortages of GPUs during a pandemic where mental health from entertainment like gaming is valuable and stops people from going outside and getting/spreading the virus. The incentives for crypto all are f'ed up right now. The ETH PoS switch can't come soon enough.

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Post by Bancakes »

wbraun wrote: post #2

Does this behavior anger anyone else on a deep level? I get that its hard to buy GPUs right now, but this seems like such an attack on general purpose computing. Hardware manufactures already segment features between consumer and busness grade parts that the silicon itself is capable of, such as virtualization, but restricting what algorithms one can run is a whole new level. I am pretty sure my next GPU is going to…

Nvidia can't make nvidia laptops run well on Linux but they sure can cripple all their drivers, huh. That's what they're good at.

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Post by munk-a »

Grimm1 wrote: post #15

Can't drive people to the mining cards they've released if you have everyone using the consumer hardware. As someone who really likes the performance and ecosystem around NVIDIA cards this makes me happy, because I'll probably be able to own one sometime before the heat death of the universe if trends like this continue. But, "To help get GeForce GPUs in the hands of gamers," Is a load of crock. They have a new minin…

It is legitimately difficult to get a 3080 right now and I suspect that Nvidia is actually eating a lot of bad PR for it now. That said, if society turns around and starts viewing mining as a significant climate change issue then building hardware to specifically support that market is likely going to be another PR disaster.

I suspect Nvidia's marketing team has grown too comfortable on consistently edging out AMD for ray tracing and isn't the sharpest bunch of tools in the shed.

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by rundevilrun »

ericmay wrote: post #21
Grimm1 wrote: post #15

Can't drive people to the mining cards they've released if you have everyone using the consumer hardware. As someone who really likes the performance and ecosystem around NVIDIA cards this makes me happy, because I'll probably be able to own one sometime before the heat death of the universe if trends like this continue. But, "To help get GeForce GPUs in the hands of gamers," Is a load of crock. They have a new minin…

Can't it be both? Seems like a win-win for Nvidia and gamers. I can genuinely see a company like Nvidia getting a lot of customer feedback and maybe employees actually caring that gamers can get their hands on Nvidia's cards.

companies are people too!

Re: Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 3070 cards

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Post by fastball »

belltaco wrote: post #24
arthurcolle wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is someone mining on GPUs they bought themselves infringing on your freedom, pray tell?

The extra power usage is destroying our planet all for someone to try and make a quick buck, and causing shortages of GPUs during a pandemic where mental health from entertainment like gaming is valuable and stops people from going outside and getting/spreading the virus. The incentives for crypto all are f'ed up right now. The ETH PoS switch can't come soon enough.

What if you're only mining with renewables?

And I'd actually like to see a study on the positive mental health benefit of gaming, because I'm skeptical.

Also the idea that you need a primo GPU in order to game is a bit silly. And if you're the kind of person that absolutely needs the best graphics in order to enjoy gaming, please see my point no. 2 about mental health.

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