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Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on single tank of hydrogen

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Re: Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on single tank of hydrogen

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Gack... one of my pet peeves: 90% of my friends compare car millage in terms of "how much money I spend to refuel", completely ignoring: 1. Significantly different tank sizes - 53L to 70L on regular cars. 2. Different prices of gas (suburbs vs downtown, 87 vs 91 octane, etc) 3. Different habits - some refuel at 1/3 left, 1/4 left, 50km left, yellow light on, needle at the end of the gauge, etc It drives me absolutely…

I have never heard of anyone judging fuel cost outside of miles/kilometers per gallon/liters. Where the hell do you live

Hmm, slightly different measurement. They're not talking about "sticker price of fuel at the gas station", so not "fuel cost".

Rather, if you ask them casually in an informal setting "Does your car get good milleage", they'll say things like "Yeah, it only costs me $50 to fill it up!" or my personal favourite, "Yeah, I only have to fill it once per week" --> the amount of unspoken variables in that one just boggles the mind, but goes to another commenter's point of "practical perspective". "How often I need to fill it up" is probably a sane, pragmatical way to think of milleage. It may in fact cut to the point faster than saying "it does 11L / 100km", because while it answers some questions in abstract, it doesn't actually answer the practical considerations of how often I need to refuel / how far can I get on a tank.

As mentioned in my another reply, for me at least, it hasn't been a factor of where I live but variety of company I keep -- on average I'd say my Comsci/Sci-major friends don't do it.

But I'm currently in Canada, where we do indeed as per stereotype, measure distance in units of time ("How far is your work?" "About 20 minutes" ComSciMajor response: "GAAACK!")

Re: Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on single tank of hydrogen

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Plus, unlike gas, the hydrogen is never directly burnt "in the engine", it's always converted to electricity first. A hydrogen car is always going to use EV motors (and batteries, because while denser, H2 doesn't yet have anything near the ability to supply power at high demand that current battery tech has) and have all the complexity of an EV, often without the convenience of grid charging (home charging) given muc…

Maybe that's where current hydrogen R&D is going, but it isn't inherently true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_internal_combustion_e...

But now you're again limited by the low efficiency of ICE, the theoretical limits imposed by the carnot cycle...

Re: Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on single tank of hydrogen

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Does it get that cold in a garage? I assume you'd always want to park a $100k automobile in a closed garage.

Lots of pickup trucks in that price range are parked outside. Garages are not a norm outside of detached homes. Diesels don't handle it well, but it doesn't actually damage them. The northern 2/3rds of Canada may be an edge case ... unless you actually live there.

Understood thanks.

Re: Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on single tank of hydrogen

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Since “tank” isn’t a unit of measure, I suppose anyone could trivially break the record with a larger tank. From the article: > The Nexo consumed 6.27kg of H2 For comparison with the other production H2 cars: Toyota Mirai: 5.6kg Honda Clarity: 5.0kg Seems like a promising technology. My understanding is that the current blocker is infrastructure. It’s hard to pressurize up to 10,000 PSI, so many facilities are only a…

Gack... one of my pet peeves: 90% of my friends compare car millage in terms of "how much money I spend to refuel", completely ignoring: 1. Significantly different tank sizes - 53L to 70L on regular cars. 2. Different prices of gas (suburbs vs downtown, 87 vs 91 octane, etc) 3. Different habits - some refuel at 1/3 left, 1/4 left, 50km left, yellow light on, needle at the end of the gauge, etc It drives me absolutely…

amazing… I literally never heard of anyone using that metric. Everyone I’ve ever known uses liters/100km…

Re: Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on single tank of hydrogen

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This is at 66.9 km/h (40 mph) in order to greatly increase its range due to lower drag compared to normal highway speeds. As a comparison a Tesla Model 3 got 975km (606 miles) at 40 km/h (25 mph) [1]. I can't seem to find any range tests at a similar speed as the Nexo. I found an EPA dyno test for the Model 3 at 77 km/h (48mph) for 708 km (440 miles). The Nexo and Model 3 have similar dimension and weight and price,…

And a Hyundai Kona Electric did 1000km as well, probably at ridiculously low speeds as well :) ( https://thedriven.io/2020/08/14/three-unmodified-kona-electr... )

Re: Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on single tank of hydrogen

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I personally think we'll see charging poles next to most public parking spaces before we see a sufficiently built out network of H2 'gas stations'.

I think this underestimates the massive infrastructure investments those charging poles would need to work. I live in a medium density European town (about 1000 inhabitants/km2, think 4-5 story buildings on average). In residential areas the whole street is lined with parked cars on both sides. To charge these, one would need something like 1MW charging per every 4 cars, which means every 20m of the road, on both sid…

No, you'd need around 6-7kw per car.

Re: Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on single tank of hydrogen

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> “I was constantly checking the Nexo’s efficiency readout to maximise the distance I was getting per kilogram of hydrogen. I found that by using techniques from rally driving, such as looking as far down the road as possible, as well as tips I have learned from my dad for driving a truck efficiently over long distances, it’s actually possible to go way beyond Nexo’s official range.” Anyone have some insights on this…

Get an OBD2 Bluetooth adapter and an app on your smart phone to display the real time fuel efficiency of your driving.

That feedback can help a lot.

Re: Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on single tank of hydrogen

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Keep this in mind when thinking about hydrogen: https://www.tinaja.com/h2gas01w.shtml

I'm curious whether https://proton.energy/ will pan out. They claim to be developing a process to extract hydrogen from natural gas wells, leaving the CO₂ underground. If that's possible, it would basically make hydrogen a fuel.

Re: Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on single tank of hydrogen

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The one thing H has going is quicker fills at the pump, right? Being low on joules is a pain when you're going to work in the morning, but it's a royal pain if you have to wait a half hour to charge.

Yep if you have a hydrogen pump nearby it will probably fill faster than a charger. Not sure if they need attendants like a propane fill. If you have a plug at home though thats much more convient at least to me when going to work.

You do not need an attendant the hydrogen stations I’ve been to.
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