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Re: 1Password for Linux

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Post by 29083011397778 »

paulcarroty wrote: post #25
throwaway894345 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, Linux GUI toolkits suck a lot. I was a professional Qt developer in a past life and while it stands head and shoulders above GTK, that’s really not saying much. I’ve often thought about making my own toolkit, but there’s so much that we forget about from things like focus to accessibility to text layout and rendering (much text has been rendered on why text rendering sucks). My hope is that Rust breathes…

> fairness, Linux GUI toolkits suck a lot Well, this is GTK password manager https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/PasswordSafe - UI works really well, use it every day. Guess GTK will be much more popular 'cause Qt LTS going to be proprietary.

Isn't Libhandy (the library used for making mobile linux applications for the Pinephone & Librem 5) GTK based? I assume that would help tremendously with popularity as well

Re: 1Password for Linux

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Post by jacurtis »

lukevp wrote: post #77
progx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitwarden https://bitwarden.com/ Has clients for all platforms, open source, self hosting or free plans and saas. Waited long time for 1password for linux and switched last year to bitwarden. Family Account for 6 Users ($40 per year)

Bitwarden is awesome, and super easy to self host with Docker. Heck, you could get a $5/mo DO droplet and host bitwarden_rs along with a static site or a bunch of other things! I wouldn’t suggest this to people who are unfamiliar with hosting, Linux, docker, and how to make backups, so the self hosting is admittedly limited in appeal, but even their SaaS offering seems like a great deal!

Bitwarden is a great alternative. But it must be mentioned that you need to be willing to accept the responsibility and burden of the operational overhead required to run it.

I realize that most people tout self-hosted as a "benefit", and it might be a benefit for the demographic reading HN. But for the average person, self-hosting is far from practical. Most people can't realistically boot up a DO droplet and install Docker and Bitwarden.

Heck, I am a SysAdmin as a career. I build highly available architecture all day long, but for my personal/family passwords it is honestly not something I personally want to handle. Maybe it is because I actually work in highly available architectures all day long that I am more fearful of throwing all my passwords onto a $5/mo DO droplet, that by its nature is not HA. Sure I have the expertise to lock it down, keep it secure, keep it backed up, keep it updated, etc.. But I am paying $60/yr for the VPC ($5/mo x 12 mos = $60/yr), which is the same cost as 1Password for a Family plan and is more expensive than the $36 they charge for a personal plan.

So even though I am qualified to reliably self-host everything, why would I want to? Why not just pay the same amount of money for someone else to accept that burden? Plus that company is scaled up to be running their customers on far more reliable architecture systems than I would alternatively be using on my single VPC/droplet.

This isn't to shit on Bitwarden. In fact i have a ton of experience with both Bitwarden and 1Password. These are easily the two best options on the market. Both have close to feature parity. You can't go wrong with either. But I would just cautiously warn people that want to self-host Bitwarden. This is a major responsibility to self-host an app that contains such critical information. Before you click install I would do a thought experiment of what would happen if you lost your Bitwarden installation, and therefore ALL of your unique passwords across the entire internet. Now ask yourself, how confident are you that you can avoid that situation. Then remember that affordable alternatives exist that take that responsibility away from you.

This isn't saying that you shouldn't do it. Just that it isn't practical for most people. And I honestly don't see the draw for self-hosting a personal or family account. I would self-host a business account. But why bother with personal or family? Just get a hosted account so you don't have to play "IT Person" at home when your partner gets locked out of Netflix and can't access the password.

Re: 1Password for Linux

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Post by IndySun »

Milner08 wrote: post #96
IndySun wrote: post #64

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6 years old and already having to navigate software, passwords, privacy. I am mildly shocked, and saddened. Or am I just behind the times?

Really? I was using the computer at 6, although basic stuff in DOS (I remember being proud I knew how to start games etc). At 6 you're in primary school in the UK and using a computer and internet safety is definitely a big thing. Not sure why you'd be saddened by this? Its not like its a black and white you either play outside or you use the computer thing. People can do both and learning about technology early is a…

>Not sure why you'd be saddened by this?

I did all that too. I concur with your overview. I don't see the world as black and white either. We know that children are more easily exploited, no matter how tech savvy, but it's not so much the 6 year old age that hit me reading that; it's the fact the having an offline private life is being eroded, and I'm not sure about what is replacing it.

Re: 1Password for Linux

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Post by jamesgeck0 »

amarshall wrote: post #79
tzs wrote: post #34

Interesting: > 1Password for Linux also debuts with several features that are coming soon to 1Password for Mac, Windows, iOS, and Android That should be encouraging for Linux users. It suggests that the Linux version is not just a port that will forever at best follow the other platforms. It can get pretty annoying when you have something that is available on multiple platforms, and your platform tends to always lag…

Since 1Password for Linux appears to be backed by Electron, perhaps it’s a sign that other platforms’ native clients will be replaced by an Electron-based client to get these new features.

The "behind the scenes" blog post linked in a sibling notes that they've architected the Linux release with a headless backend component that they'll be moving every client to use. So while there will be HTML-based clients with Linux and browser extensions, I think there's a decent chance of greater feature parity across platforms with native clients in the future too.

Re: 1Password for Linux

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Post by Mister_Snuggles »

AnonHP wrote: post #101

PSA: Note that AgileBits intentionally hides the standalone license option and pushes subscription as the only visible scheme to get the application. This is a long standing dark pattern, and though the support staff will admit on their forums or here that the standalone license does exist, you wouldn't be able to find it without some special incantations on the forums. They will keep reiterating that it's for your o…

The sync story bothers me.

In my mind, Enpass is one that does it correctly. They don't offer a sync service, instead they let you choose from a number of popular ones (OneDrive, Dropbox, iCloud, and a few others), one of which you probably already use. There's no need for yet another cloud service to solve this already solved problem.

Re: 1Password for Linux

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Post by kwanbix »

signal11 wrote: post #103
pier25 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitwarden is awesome. It's my current password manager after I left 1P. I spent hundreds into 1P before the subscription model, as their apps were expensive and got them on multiple OS and for family members. Then Dropbox decided (rightfully) that you shouldn't use your public folder to host websites, and 1P told their customers to either get a subscription or lose the online vault which is a critical feature of any…

I started with 1Password 4 (non-subscription) and considered upgrading to 1Password 7 -- yes, you could buy a non-subscription copy when I checked, although it's increasingly well hidden as an option -- and in addition to Dropbox it may have supported iCloud, not sure about that. In the end I went with the subscription because I it's bought once for all my devices, and is great for family use, with UX that's easy fro…

I agree on supporting your vendor, however, I think 1Password is too expensive. That is why I pay for Bitwarden. The difference is 33% less expensive (or 50% more expensive if you look it from the Bitwarden side). I think 3.33 euros per months is about a good valance.

Re: 1Password for Linux

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Post by kwanbix »

lukevp wrote: post #77
progx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitwarden https://bitwarden.com/ Has clients for all platforms, open source, self hosting or free plans and saas. Waited long time for 1password for linux and switched last year to bitwarden. Family Account for 6 Users ($40 per year)

Bitwarden is awesome, and super easy to self host with Docker. Heck, you could get a $5/mo DO droplet and host bitwarden_rs along with a static site or a bunch of other things! I wouldn’t suggest this to people who are unfamiliar with hosting, Linux, docker, and how to make backups, so the self hosting is admittedly limited in appeal, but even their SaaS offering seems like a great deal!

I do value the option of hosting Bitwarden myself, but if I have to pay 5/mo for a droplet, I rather pay that much to Bitwarden and forget about it.

Re: 1Password for Linux

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Post by brewdad »

jacurtis wrote: post #112
lukevp wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitwarden is awesome, and super easy to self host with Docker. Heck, you could get a $5/mo DO droplet and host bitwarden_rs along with a static site or a bunch of other things! I wouldn’t suggest this to people who are unfamiliar with hosting, Linux, docker, and how to make backups, so the self hosting is admittedly limited in appeal, but even their SaaS offering seems like a great deal!

Bitwarden is a great alternative. But it must be mentioned that you need to be willing to accept the responsibility and burden of the operational overhead required to run it. I realize that most people tout self-hosted as a "benefit", and it might be a benefit for the demographic reading HN. But for the average person, self-hosting is far from practical. Most people can't realistically boot up a DO droplet and instal…

You're not required to self-host Bitwarden, it's simply touted as an option around here for those too paranoid to let a third party host their passwords.

If you are already in the 'let someone else deal with it' camp, then Bitwarden is dead simple. It works everywhere and does a great job of keeping your vault in sync on any device. All for way less than 1Password.

Re: 1Password for Linux

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Post by trevor-e »

AnonHP wrote: post #101

PSA: Note that AgileBits intentionally hides the standalone license option and pushes subscription as the only visible scheme to get the application. This is a long standing dark pattern, and though the support staff will admit on their forums or here that the standalone license does exist, you wouldn't be able to find it without some special incantations on the forums. They will keep reiterating that it's for your o…

Yea I paid $65 for the standalone version back in 2016 which seemed really expensive for something that's essentially an encrypted database (despite its great UX). My reasoning is I didn't need any of the fancy family sync features and preferred to handle the syncing myself for free. They've basically discontinued that product and I can't update to their latest app since it only supports the SaaS product accounts. Complete waste of my money.
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