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Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

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Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#101

I was fairly into the space in 2014-2016 but stopped paying attention the last few years. It seems like lots of theorized applications actually exist and have a proof-of-concept now. If I’m building a marketplace business in 2021, where I want to be “crypto-first” instead of relying on PayPal and Stripe Connect, where do I start? The marketplace sells access to resources with an off-chain ACL system. It facilitates t…

Check out Solana if you want lower fees

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#102
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So with PoS, we recreate a system where a few rich pool have decision over the network. Can someone enlighten me on how this is different from the current fiat system?

It is a system where you have skin in the game, the more skin in the game you have, the more power you have. Think it like a democracy where you are voting with your wallet. The main difference with the fiat world is that with Ethereum you have transparency, and there is no corruption. You can't just bribe a politician to enact a rule you want. Everything that happens in the network is recorded permanently, and rules…

What exactly do Ether holders vote on in this scenario? Changes to the protocol? Is that process highly transparent and easily accessible?

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#103
Ethereum doesn't have an energy problem, energy have an Ethereum problem.

Don't get me wrong, it's great that they are working on becoming more effective but the idea that we should judge new technology purely on it's environmental impact as we see these days is counterproductive to progress. Progress from 0 to 1 will always be less effective than the optimization that follows.

We should be much more focused on how to make sure that any technologies energy usage doesn't become an issue by creating clean technologies with high energy density, which are reliable, plentiful and scaleable and doesn't require backup sources.

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#104

Its price will also tumble 99% . People motives to get into crypto are clear. They want to subtract themselves from government policy of constantly printing money. BTC takes care of that and it's a 14 years brand which is extremely politically expensive to make illegal On the other hand people are perfectly satisfied with their experience on Youtube, Amazon, Google, Facebook, Ebay, JPMorgan etc. which are the entitie…

I think you are correct. PoS coin is worthless coin. Imagine the tales in the future -- about the potential trillion dollar economy that was invented by some internet nerds who listened too much to people that have no idea what they are talking about, and drove it off a cliff with fancy talk of proof of stake (which was actually engineered by the existing powers to ensure their continued control of global economies).

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#105

Wasn’t Casper going to do this like four years ago? They have been talking about moving to PoS forever now. It still hasn’t happened.

I like how these kinds of quips will evaporate I just wonder what the next criticism will be

"Ooops, maybe PoS was a bad idea, sorry about the billions!"

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#106
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Maybe this is a good time and place to ask - let's say I want to buy something using Ethereum. Is it correct that when I look at, say, https://ycharts.com/indicators/ethereum_average_transaction_... , you have to pay USD 20 just as payment fees? I wrote off Bitcoin as a payment mechanism a long time ago because of this (although it seems BTC tx costs are now lower than ETH?), is this the direction tx costs for all cr…

To directly answer your question: currently, ethereum has the same fundamental scaling problems that bitcoin has (limited global throughput)

Bitcoin's attempted solution on this front is off-chain scaling via lightning network. As far as I can ascertain, this has had highly limited adoption.

Eth's attempted solution on this front is sharding. I can't claim to be an expert in this, but from my understanding after proof-of-stake is deployed, ethereum plans to deploy something like 64 separate "shards" which, from my understanding, are like extra blockchains for conducting transactions, and using some kind of complicated proof of stake system to keep it consistent. In this case, while the main-net still has limited global throughput, scaling up to add more side chains will allow scaling additional throughput. You can read more here https://ethereum.org/en/eth2/

As with lightning, we don't know how well this will actually end up going until it's deployed.

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

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So with PoS, we recreate a system where a few rich pool have decision over the network. Can someone enlighten me on how this is different from the current fiat system?

Unlike with fiat, you're not forced to use any particular crypto. If the rich stakeholders of ethereum decide to muck around with the network, nobody will want to use it anymore and the value will drop.

Demanding a single currency to settle debts is a feature, not a bug. I don't wanna spend each morning researching which currency to use today. And I'm sure the local store doesn't wanna figure out which set of ten optional currencies to sell milk for.

This doesn't even begin to consider long term debt.

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#108

I was fairly into the space in 2014-2016 but stopped paying attention the last few years. It seems like lots of theorized applications actually exist and have a proof-of-concept now. If I’m building a marketplace business in 2021, where I want to be “crypto-first” instead of relying on PayPal and Stripe Connect, where do I start? The marketplace sells access to resources with an off-chain ACL system. It facilitates t…

> If I’m building a marketplace business in 2021, where I want to be “crypto-first” instead of relying on PayPal and Stripe Connect, where do I start?

Unless you are building a dark web market, why would you want to? It will be more convenient for the vast majority of users to pay with card or PayPal.

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#109

Is it possible/likely that exchanges are going to abuse their position and secretly use everyone else's ETH for proof of stake while they're holding it?

Like they do on all other PoS (worthless) coins? Yes. This is the fundamental problem. We have seen chain takeovers from this exact scenario. See Steem / Hive for an example of how this can go very wrong.

Re: Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge

#110
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So with PoS, we recreate a system where a few rich pool have decision over the network. Can someone enlighten me on how this is different from the current fiat system?

So I'm more familiar with how Cardano and Polkadot do their POS rather than Ethereums. In Cardano since the entry level requirement to operate a stake pool is much smaller than it is to do something like Bitcoin mining, it creates a larger number of stake pools. There's also a soft limit on the size of the stake pool that encourages people to spread out their commitment so no one pool gets to large.So at least in the existing POS systems it seems to be working quite well. I'm going to be interested to see how it shakes out in Ethereum because they have to commit their funds. Which is in a way a burden.The more you put into the system for staking the less that you can use.
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