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How I learned to stop worrying and love the lab-leak theory

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Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the lab-leak theory

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Post by TearsInTheRain »

ekianjo wrote: post #64
cletus wrote: post #39

So I generally give like zero weight to conspiracy theories. That being said, I don't believe anyone can reasonably claim with any degree certainty that Covid was a lab-leak BUT the WHO investigation simply hasn't done their due diligence to a sufficient degree to eliminate this theory. Unfortunately the WHO's credibility is trained here. In the early days of the pandemic the WHO bent over backwards not to upset Chin…

Having an open mind about alternative explanations than the official one from the WHO is not believing in conspiracy theories. Its just not believing in propaganda.

Imho calling the lab leak theory a conspiracy theory is a form of gas lighting. It is telling people that it isnt legitimate to use basic common sense to question why the bat coronavirus outbreak happened down the street from the lab studying bat coronaviruses. You must deny what is plainly in front of your eyes.

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salawat wrote: post #19
tawa10093 wrote: post #8

“Chinese labs sell their dead experimental animals in food markets.” This is actually true and not uncommon.

Note section 9.5 of Project Evidence 9.5 Arrest of Lab Animal Seller From the same ECNS article in the previous section: We are looking for contributors who can read Mandarin to help us find and translate the original article from The Paper that details the arrest of the ’top academician’. Medical staff and experts have long been asking for better regulation and supervision of biological research institutes in China,…

The universities and labs in China usually subcontract the work a few levels down to some people who have no training or idea about what they are dealing with. And they would be more than happy to "recycle" whatever that can be "recycled", including dead experiment animals. For what is worth I had probably ate a frog I dissected from a school restaurant many years ago.

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Post by snypher »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #86
ocschwar wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For persons of average intelligence or more, it is indeed good news. For persons of Asian appearance, living in physical proximity to persons of lower than average intelligence, it's dangerous news, unfortunately.

Can you provide recent statistical data during the pandemic about actual hate crimes to back that up, specifically about the race committing the crime?

https://www.csusb.edu/sites/default/files/FACT%20SHEET-%20An...

https://secureservercdn.net/104.238.69.231/a1w.90d.myftpuplo...

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the lab-leak theory

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Post by jb775 »

So if the lab leak theory turns out to be true, how will people deal with the fact that they've been vehemently disregarding it as a "Q-anon conspiracy theory"?

And would it be worth questioning if any other recent topics labeled as "conspiracy theories" may in fact also be true?

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the lab-leak theory

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Post by dang »

kstenerud wrote: post #93

edit Changed "character" to "structure" because my intent is being misunderstood. This is ultimately about human psychology (as in homo sapiens), not particular nations or peoples. Each of us could very well have but for chance been placed in any of these boats, and our behavior would change to match because we're not morally special. There are a number of things at play here that stoke up distrust, mainly due to Chi…

Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. If you reach "they have a legacy to uphold as the Kingdom of Heaven. Their mission under Xi is a moral one to once again become the shining beacon of civilization, the center of the Earth", you long ago left the topic of this thread.

Actually as soon as you went to "Chinese national character" you already did that. For god's sake please let's avoid $anyone's "national character" on this site. That's a fast track to hell.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27191023.

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the lab-leak theory

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Post by platinumrad »

h0l0cube wrote: post #120

We may never know for 100% certain if it truly was a lab leak, but what we can be certain of is the denialism and withholding of information in the crucial first 2 months of the emergence of the virus. In at least this, China is culpable for devastating millions of lives and disrupting the global economy, all for the Chinese government to save face. Edit: Removed claim about Chinese new year

Chinese New Year celebrations were cancelled and travel restrictions were imposed in January of 2020.

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the lab-leak theory

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Post by tawa10093 »

cletus wrote: post #39

So I generally give like zero weight to conspiracy theories. That being said, I don't believe anyone can reasonably claim with any degree certainty that Covid was a lab-leak BUT the WHO investigation simply hasn't done their due diligence to a sufficient degree to eliminate this theory. Unfortunately the WHO's credibility is trained here. In the early days of the pandemic the WHO bent over backwards not to upset Chin…

If you believe RaTG13 is genuine, then you should look past no where. At the same time (2012-2013), same place (TongGuan, Yunnan), some miners are infected by a virus with symptoms very similar to covid, and WIV was involved during the time and has the samples from the patients which have never been released.

All this is documented in a graduate thesis by a student from a local college in 2013.

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