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Google Chrome has 20% global market share

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Re: Google Chrome has 20% global market share

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sigh - the end users of the application I'm working on use 70%-90% IE depending on the platform. I wish this would change, but I doubt it as IE still is a major player in the enterprise market.

I guess I'm luckily in that at my work, WebKit (Safari+Chrome) represents 60% of the visitors, with the rest being split among Firefox (20%) and IE (10%, which we don't even bother testing for)

I can't tell numbers but our perception is the same. From these people, who are educated enough to pay for our service? Haha

Anyway, it works ie7 upwards (tested), but they are getting hard corners and anybody cares.

Re: Google Chrome has 20% global market share

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post #18

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sigh - the end users of the application I'm working on use 70%-90% IE depending on the platform. I wish this would change, but I doubt it as IE still is a major player in the enterprise market.

I guess I'm luckily in that at my work, WebKit (Safari+Chrome) represents 60% of the visitors, with the rest being split among Firefox (20%) and IE (10%, which we don't even bother testing for)

Very odd, what sector has a majority of Safari/Chrome users? Even general public (non-enterprise) wouldn't skew like that.

Re: Google Chrome has 20% global market share

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post #32

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I guess I'm luckily in that at my work, WebKit (Safari+Chrome) represents 60% of the visitors, with the rest being split among Firefox (20%) and IE (10%, which we don't even bother testing for)

Very odd, what sector has a majority of Safari/Chrome users? Even general public (non-enterprise) wouldn't skew like that.

Anything aimed at technologists (e.g. this website), or any site aimed at Apple users/developers.

Re: Google Chrome has 20% global market share

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Isn't the bigger news here that IE has dropped below 50% market share (dramatically) for the first time in over a decade? It's dominance is kind of over.

sigh - the end users of the application I'm working on use 70%-90% IE depending on the platform. I wish this would change, but I doubt it as IE still is a major player in the enterprise market.

The great thing about IE being now a minority browser is that web developers can now say "Oh you want IE6/7/8 support? Oh, that's a minority browser that doesn't support recent things, we can't do that/will charge lots more/etc."

Re: Google Chrome has 20% global market share

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I don't understand Google's game here. I thought Mozilla was being showered with cash from Google? If Google is now betting on Chrome, are they going to continue supporting Mozilla? Mozilla is a pretty small-budgeted non-profit and I think they rely heavily on Google's support.

Keep Microsoft and Apple on their toes? The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Google (nominally) have several mutually aligned interests with Mozilla, namely the Open Web.

Re: Google Chrome has 20% global market share

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The IE team need to implement what Firefox & Chrome (to some effects) does. Firefox & Chrome constantly bug you when theres new update - if you keep ignoring Firefox's it starts asking you to update before it even opens. Why is this important? Well a lot of people still use IE6 & have finally upgraded to IE7 however, we're on IE9 now with IE10 in test drive mode. These users aren't tech savvy individuals etc who thin…

That's not quite correct. Firefox constantly bugs you to upgrade and it's annoying because it does it when it starts up. Why is it starting up? Because I want to use it. Not the right time to upgrade. Chrome just automatically updates itself, which is a MUCH better user experience (IMHO). As for IE6/7 users, I would say they're largely using it at work where they have no choice.

I agree, I really like the automatic updating that Chrome uses.

I think that both Firefox and IE will eventually change to that model also. It gets out security patches more quickly, ensures that most everyone is using the latest renderer, has the latest features, and best of all doesn't nag me about updates.

There are definitely disadvantages to automatic updates, but for me personally I find the advantages too tempting to go back.

Re: Google Chrome has 20% global market share

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My understanding is that the money that Google forks over to Mozilla is simply to keep Google as the browser's default search engine, not to sustain Firefox as a competing browser. If Google ceased that "funding", I'm sure some other search engine would step up to the plate. (Note: I've got no sources for this; just a cursory understanding.)

MS has tried and will try again to pry this spot from Google for their own engine Bing.

I would bet that Google wouldn't let this happen unless Chrome superceded Firefox's market share by a very significant margin -- but then again, the asking bid price for the default search engine is probably directly proportional to Firefox's market share, so at that point, why wouldn't Google hang on to the privilege (it wouldn't cost much).

Does Opera have a default search engine?

Re: Google Chrome has 20% global market share

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I don't understand Google's game here. I thought Mozilla was being showered with cash from Google? If Google is now betting on Chrome, are they going to continue supporting Mozilla? Mozilla is a pretty small-budgeted non-profit and I think they rely heavily on Google's support.

I know a lot of people in the Green Party here in Germany who deliberately use Firefox because they deem it to be the most politically correct browser. My impression is that a lot of them neither realize that Firefox is indeed primarily sponsored by Google (which they consider evil), nor that Chrome/Chromium is open source, just as Firefox. They prefer Firefox for touchy-feely, not technical reasons. So there's a mar…

There's a little bit of truth to it. As far as I know, Mozilla is not actually directed to do anything by Google in exchange for the money. I'm sure if they had too many missteps that Google would begin reducing their funding, but in general they don't have profit as a driving factor in development and Chrome still does.

For example, it took a very long time for any really effective adblock extension available in Chrome, and (this has likely been fixed) for a while even when it blocked ads it actually still loaded them so the ad producers couldn't tell difference.

It was because of technical limitations in the capabilities of chrome extensions. Considering adblock plus has nearly double the #2 most used firefox extensions, and nearly 6x the number of users as the #3 most use firefox extension, it seems like the design for extensions should almost be done specifically with enabling adblock in mind.

I'm no conspiracy theorist and I use chrome, but it seems to me that at least in the above case, Google put their bottom line as an advertising company above what the users wanted or what made the best browser experience. Not that it is too much of a bad thing, but I think saying that Google has the same kind of control over the direction of Firefox is silly.

I'm sure you could find plenty of charities that are nearly entirely funded by Microsoft's Charity branch or something, and I'm sure those charities don't go around badmouthing Microsoft but they don't exactly take orders from them either.

Re: Google Chrome has 20% global market share

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I don't understand Google's game here. I thought Mozilla was being showered with cash from Google? If Google is now betting on Chrome, are they going to continue supporting Mozilla? Mozilla is a pretty small-budgeted non-profit and I think they rely heavily on Google's support.

I know a lot of people in the Green Party here in Germany who deliberately use Firefox because they deem it to be the most politically correct browser. My impression is that a lot of them neither realize that Firefox is indeed primarily sponsored by Google (which they consider evil), nor that Chrome/Chromium is open source, just as Firefox. They prefer Firefox for touchy-feely, not technical reasons. So there's a mar…

I don't think you understand their motives. Yes Mozilla takes money from Google, it does not make Mozilla Google does it? Mozilla has no share holders, no one to report to, and certainly they do not report to Google. Google pays Mozilla for the default Google search page index and if no one would load that page anymore then Mozilla would get no money.

Do you think Google also own every single adsense user then?

Chromium (NOT CHROME) is open source, but it does not fight for freedom or general public interest. It fights for bringing Google even more control and user base. In fact Chrome woulnd't even exist if it wasn't for Mozilla.

THAT is the reason why they still use Firefox. If Firefox globally falls behind 20% global market share, Mozilla won't have much weight when doing things such as forbidding h264 support, pushing true open standards, etc.

Re: Google Chrome has 20% global market share

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It's fast. It's fast. It's fast. Oh, and it pop-up blocks, adblocks, and flashblocks.

There's a new kind of popup that's been eluding all browsers (Chrome, Fx, Safari, IE, etc), i don't know the technical details, but you can watch it visiting ThePirateBay for instance with a couple of clicks at most: it's there. How do they do it? I don't know, but no actual browser can block it. I'd guess they tie the click as a real user action to trigger the popup or something similar...

Supposedly this Firefox extension can help defeat them.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus-...

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