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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by foxyv »

walrus01 wrote: post #446
thathndude wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your point cuts both ways. People can’t appreciate how big the US population is and the normal death rate. Every year around 2.8 million people die in the US from all causes. Around 7,500 people every day. So 450 a day isn’t that incredible of a number given the scale of the population. When an airplane crashes, the reaction is less about loss of 100-300 lives, but the way in which it happens. If a loaded 747…

That is a good point. Somewhat similar, we seem to accept in the range of 10,000-11,000 drunk driving deaths a year as fairly normal [1]. Because it is, for the most part, a widely spread out set of events with a few cars crashing by themselves, or into one other car... Yet we still drive everywhere. But if you ask people, someone might tell you that they're more nervous flying (despite statistics clearly showing tha…

It always amazes me how casual people are about traveling at 70+ mph with opposing traffic traveling at similar speeds, sometimes less than 4 feet to your left with no protection other than a few inches of paint. There are some places that you could die just from losing focus for less than a second.

USA roads are seriously scary. It's no small wonder that drunk drivers kill so many people.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by PraetorianGourd »

samatman wrote: post #160
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, a lot less likely than that. Birth control efficacy is around 91% in typical use per year for the mini-pill. The mRNA vaccines seem to perform better than that AND don't have the issue of perfect use

IUD efficacy is a lot higher than that, around 99%. Condoms are lower than 91%, around 85% in real life use. The various vaccines have a spread of efficacy as well. It's a valid analogy.

I specifically said mini-pill in my reply. As far as I understand, birth control most commonly refers to the pill, as it is the most commonly prescribed form of birth control (condoms, coitus interruptus etc. not being a prescribed form).

My main beef is that the percentage efficacy calculation is different and thus not comparable. Birth control is calculated at the % chance of an event within a year. Vaccines are not calculated in the same manner, so it is hard to say that one is more effective without having the data on vaccine efficacy over a year. The data I have seen thus far does not yet indicate much of a wane over time in the same manner as birth control. Furthermore, birth control failure is due to misuse most often, not due to waning effectiveness of an initial dose.

Furthermore, sperm and ovum do not tend to have selective pressure to work against birth control. It is unknown at this time whether the mRNA vaccines are generic enough to be effective against whatever mutations to the spike protein may form.

Essentially my point is this, you can also say that it is about as effective as the odds of a pitcher throwing a no hit game. But besides the numbers which communicate those odds, everything that is used to calculate and define the event is different.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by DarknessFalls »

thathndude wrote: post #443
walrus01 wrote: post #434

I have a personal theory that humans do not fully understand death rate when it's spread out widely across many geographic areas. Let's say, for instance, that the covid19 death rate is about 450 people a day. It might be more or less than that right now, I haven't specifically checked (but I do recall that it's easily been 2000-3000 a day for some periods of time in very recent memory). But that might be 450 people…

I think your point cuts both ways. People can’t appreciate how big the US population is and the normal death rate. Every year around 2.8 million people die in the US from all causes. Around 7,500 people every day. So 450 a day isn’t that incredible of a number given the scale of the population. When an airplane crashes, the reaction is less about loss of 100-300 lives, but the way in which it happens. If a loaded 747…

You could the logic of broken precedent of assumed safety to people shopping in a grocery store and contracting Covid. What's safer than buying groceries or hanging out at a friend's BBQ? No one was doing anything ostensibly dangerous or out of the ordinary.

The only thing that makes sense is if we admit that there is a deliberate attempt to deprogram the masses and politicize science. People are indifferent because they're instructed to be on a daily basis by the talking heads.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by johnnyanmac »

walrus01 wrote: post #434

I have a personal theory that humans do not fully understand death rate when it's spread out widely across many geographic areas. Let's say, for instance, that the covid19 death rate is about 450 people a day. It might be more or less than that right now, I haven't specifically checked (but I do recall that it's easily been 2000-3000 a day for some periods of time in very recent memory). But that might be 450 people…

>"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." – Josef Stalin

not necessarily because humans don't care, but simply because most humans don't usually reason with numbers that large. I can understand the approximate size and volume of a dozen eggs. I can't for a million unless you show me an acre stacked with them. Death tolls are similar.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by krankthat »

sgift wrote: post #546
krankthat wrote: post #497

It's still unclear whether or not masks helped reduce the spread of COVID-19. https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Policy_Research > The Swiss Policy Research site has been criticized for spreading conspiracy theories including claims that QAnon was a psyop of the FBI.[5] and theories relating to the COVID-19 pandemic.[2][6] German public broadcasterTagesschau calls SPR a propaganda tool[7] and Media Bias/Fact Check says the site is "a Moderate Conspiracy website based on the promotion of unpro…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27226751
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