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Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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Is there any chance you were exposed to COVID at any point? I know there’s an association between COVID-19 and clotting events (even for otherwise asymptomatic individuals)!

Alternatively exposure to some COVID vaccines seems to also increase risk of clotting

Yeah my doctor says I’m only to have the Pfizer vaccine now.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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We are living in a culture of overwork because work (esp. desk work) has lost all boundaries.

I'm in academia and had been idealizing overwork for quite a while ("the noble goal of devoting your life to science!"), but now have to fend off becoming cynical about the culture (increasingly after a parent with a blue collar-company died shortly before their well-earned retirement, stress played a role here).

I have met various of these types, obviously not all scientists are like this, but they seem to become more frequent the more one raises up the ladder:

* spending years in an excitingly different foreign country.. on a desk, experiencing little of what the country has to offer (think spending 10 years in California but never visiting Yosemite or the Grand Ganyon), sometimes condescending when told about travel experiences in the same country

* working up to the point where they appear to be in psychological pain and lost authentic interest

* complete tunnel vision about work

* abusive behaviour because of stress

* talking suicide in project meetings

* continuous smart drug usage

* lunch with them is usually cynical, edgy and negative

* regret that they've lost their 20s to academic work

Academically, these are often quite successful people whose ideas and scientific results are admired. I'd like to stay in academia but fear I will be erased from the system if I don't pay the same price. Is this view too negative? Can someone offer a different perspective here?

Could some older users share their (anecdotal) experiences and perspective on this topic? How did continuous heavy overwork pay off for people you have observed (or yourself)? Is this just temporary and can be overcome by smarter decisions about where to allocate energy?

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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post #57

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Ah yes, the good old "my anecdote trumps science" post on Hacker News. If this happens on Hacker News, no wonder the rest of the world is even worse. "Two systematic reviews and meta-analyses of the latest evidence were conducted for this study. Data from 37 studies on ischemic heart disease covering more than 768 000 participants and 22 studies on stroke covering more than 839 000 participants were synthesized. The…

> If this happens on Hacker News, no wonder the rest of the world is even worse. Is there any reason to assume HN should be better then anyone else?

Generally, HN people are more educated and better trained in logical thinking (most being engineers of some sort or in other professions that require a bit more thinking). Hence, the GP's expectation, I assume.

However, this is just my impression from reading comments here for a few years. I may as well be wrong. Smart people do have their own blindspots, too.

Edit: I noticed you were downvoted, and I disagree with that. Your question is reasonable.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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post #57

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Ah yes, the good old "my anecdote trumps science" post on Hacker News. If this happens on Hacker News, no wonder the rest of the world is even worse. "Two systematic reviews and meta-analyses of the latest evidence were conducted for this study. Data from 37 studies on ischemic heart disease covering more than 768 000 participants and 22 studies on stroke covering more than 839 000 participants were synthesized. The…

> If this happens on Hacker News, no wonder the rest of the world is even worse. Is there any reason to assume HN should be better then anyone else?

Well yes. They most certainly have a higher rate of tertiary education (and thus exposure to scientific method) than the general population.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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We are living in a culture of overwork because work (esp. desk work) has lost all boundaries. I'm in academia and had been idealizing overwork for quite a while ("the noble goal of devoting your life to science!"), but now have to fend off becoming cynical about the culture (increasingly after a parent with a blue collar-company died shortly before their well-earned retirement, stress played a role here). I have met…

Not really related to your point, but the best parts of living in a foreign country are not the famous landmarks but rather going deep into the normal life. Anyone can see Yosemite if they visit, but few can develop the close relationships and fond memories where you’ve become a regular.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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I see a lot of people doing over time also eating a lot of delivery food. Usually working a lot is a great excuse for eating rubbish.

Not just that but watching TV. TV is the worst thing you can do, worse than anything for your obesity situation. The BBC can't tell you that though.

Re: Working over 55 hours a week associated with higher risk of stroke, heart attack

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post #57

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> If this happens on Hacker News, no wonder the rest of the world is even worse. Is there any reason to assume HN should be better then anyone else?

Generally, HN people are more educated and better trained in logical thinking (most being engineers of some sort or in other professions that require a bit more thinking). Hence, the GP's expectation, I assume. However, this is just my impression from reading comments here for a few years. I may as well be wrong. Smart people do have their own blindspots, too. Edit: I noticed you were downvoted, and I disagree with t…

Whether logical thinking gets you to correct result strongly depends on assumptions you make and model you apply the logical thinking on. And my impression is that HN is not really good at those. It also starts to fail when the assumptions are only sorta kinda true, with many asterixis, because logical implications then treat them as true.

Very very often, people start with very wild assumptions and then make wild implications on them, even the ones that are directly contradicted by article they comment on or simple search.

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