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There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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Post by chmod600 »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #75
khazhoux wrote: post #51

This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…

Count of covid cases and deaths has been highly politicized and manipulated in Florida to the point of firing people for reporting them. Not sure how possible it is to get accurate info in this environment.

Do you have a reliable source that the covid deaths in FL were manipulated downward?

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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Post by marcosdumay »

khazhoux wrote: post #51

This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…

What is more likely is that the name of the interventions had very little correlation with the features that actually matter. Just because 2 places declare a "lockdown", it doesn't mean that they are doing any similar policy.

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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Post by igonvalue »

Searching for what excess mortality looks like in a "normal" (non-pandemic) year, I found this interesting statistic:

> By the year 2017, the United States was already suffering more excess deaths and more life years lost each year than those associated with the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020

https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/United-States-COVID-19-was-...

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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Post by detaro »

hellbannedguy wrote: post #109
chmaynard wrote: post #26

Rest in peace. Tragic to the people who loved them, a statistic to the rest of us.

I will never forget the New York daily death count a year ago. Seeing 600 a day is something I hope we never see again.

It's pretty sobering how quickly large numbers just become yet another statistic and just something that gets accepted by many. Here in Germany numbers way exceeding the high points of the first wave just went as "meh, let's not do anything rash that could make businesses or people unhappy" this year (although of course quite a few people are also made unhappy by people dying... I'm really curious to see how this will shake out over the next few years).

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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Post by PeterisP »

khazhoux wrote: post #51

This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…

One aspect is that IIRC California got a much earlier spread than Florida, so any measures taken in Florida to reduce the spread (including by people on their own initiative) effectively happened at an earlier stage.

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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Post by TheRealSteel »

t8e56vd4ih wrote: post #118
candu wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO if you want to understand what an effective response looks like - don't look at North America or Europe. Think Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, and many parts of Africa, all of which had vastly better outcomes. Of course, I'm not an epidemiologist or public health expert, so while I have some guesses I'm not sure what exactly they did that was more effective - but there's no question that it was more effective.…

> Of course, I'm not an epidemiologist and no geographer either apparently :D

What do you mean?

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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Post by orblivion »

candu wrote: post #95
khazhoux wrote: post #51

This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…

IMHO if you want to understand what an effective response looks like - don't look at North America or Europe. Think Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, and many parts of Africa, all of which had vastly better outcomes. Of course, I'm not an epidemiologist or public health expert, so while I have some guesses I'm not sure what exactly they did that was more effective - but there's no question that it was more effective.…

In how many of the countries that did really well did the virus have the same head start that it had in the US and Europe before getting discovered?

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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Post by virtuallynathan »

mikepurvis wrote: post #96
dabbledash wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s why overall excess deaths are a better measure. You really can’t game them.

I think it’s still hard because deaths for almost everything else go down when people aren’t out getting in car crashes, picking the regular flu, etc etc.

Automotive fatalities were actually up substantially in 2020.

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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Post by AptExtrapolatio »

codelord wrote: post #100
khazhoux wrote: post #51

This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…

This is from earlier: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/excess-mortality-across-countr... Interestingly Sweden that got famous for defying lockdowns saw an uptick of 1.5% excess mortality per 100K people compared to 12.9% for the US that was relatively more locked down. I'm not sure what to make of it, but it sure is an interesting data point.

Simple. US has obesity as a significant comorbidity factor.
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