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Samsung boosts non-memory chip investment to $151B

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Re: Samsung boosts non-memory chip investment to $151B

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Post by baybal2 »

adventured wrote: post #11
throwaway4good wrote: post #10

It would make a lot of sense if the Koreans could fab for boycotted Chinese customers (HiSilicon etc.). Instead of trying to steal TSMC's business at Qualcomm, Apple, AMD etc.

Strategically it wouldn't make sense. South Korea shouldn't do that because the US is their defense umbrella and helping China in such a manner would go against the spirit of that pact, de facto helping to undermine the containment system being placed on China by the West.

> de facto helping to undermine the containment system being placed on China by the West.

Tell it to every US ally trying its hardeest to play the situation

Re: Samsung boosts non-memory chip investment to $151B

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Post by eloff »

orbifold wrote: post #51
csomar wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. > German Chancellor opposes US troop withdrawal plan https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/german-chancellor-opposes-us... Without having a powerful army, Europe is just an order from being invaded by Russia.

Sure because Russia has a long history of attacking Western Europe unprovoked. Napoleon, WW1, UK US intervention in the Revolution, Polish Invasion and WW2 clearly had Russia as an Aggressor.

I think you don't know your Russian history. That territory has usually been controlled by an aggressive, expansionist regime. How did you think it got to be the largest country on earth?

It's very strongly related to the geography of the region.

Re: Samsung boosts non-memory chip investment to $151B

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Post by madengr »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #100
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #21

This is not just some pork-barrel politics of bribing a company to stay in a given country. S Korea will view this similarly to Taiwan - their chip fabs are existential to their country and state. The USA is becoming more isolationist - it is nearly oil-independent, so it's signalling pulling out of the middle east (deals with Iran etc). But it is not silicon-independent. So S Korea and Taiwan are totally dependent o…

> it is nearly oil-independent This has never been how it works. Oil is a global commodity. Even if the US produced as much as it consumes, if something happened in the middle east, the global price would go up. Because when the price went up in Europe or Asia, American oil producers would sell to the highest bidder, which would force American consumers to bid higher. The real path to "independence" is to stop consum…

Ah, but the USA is dependent on cheap, Chinese solar cells.

Re: Samsung boosts non-memory chip investment to $151B

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Post by flyinglizard »

mempko wrote: post #89
quickthrowman wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hundreds of thousands of US troops are stationed in Germany, Japan, Korea here 75 years after the end of the second world war. Do you think we would like them to stay for another decade? Yes, I believe those countries would prefer if we stayed. Japan and S. Korea are particularly close to China and prefer we’re around to tamp down Chinese aggression. Germany is hoping we don’t withdraw our troops: https://m.dw.com/…

I don't know, seems a lot of wars start from USA after WW2. The US is an empire and those bases are there to protect the empire, not the countries they sit in.

How do US bases in South Korea protect the US rather than, well, South Korea?

Re: Samsung boosts non-memory chip investment to $151B

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Post by will4274 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #26
baybal2 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it is nearly oil-independent, Like as if it wasn't for the entire century. USA has ennormous, and largely unexplored oil reserves.

They're unexplored for a reason. Fracking is immensely damaging to the ecosystem. Additionally, the US won't ever need to touch these again if it manages to reduce its reliance on fossil fuels.

> Fracking is immensely damaging to the ecosystem.

Not really. Energy is a dirty business, and also one filled with politics and propoganda. Fracking, much like nuclear, was targeted mostly for political, not technical reasons. It's damaging, but less so than coal and not all that much more than vanilla drilling and pipelines in general.

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Post by KptMarchewa »

flyinglizard wrote: post #114
mempko wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, seems a lot of wars start from USA after WW2. The US is an empire and those bases are there to protect the empire, not the countries they sit in.

How do US bases in South Korea protect the US rather than, well, South Korea?

US interests, not US land.

Re: Samsung boosts non-memory chip investment to $151B

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Post by smhost »

quickthrowman wrote: post #76
throwaway4good wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a very American perspective on things. Hundreds of thousands of US troops are stationed in Germany, Japan, Korea here 75 years after the end of the second world war. Do you think we would like them to stay for another decade? Our politicians may not be in a position to say so, but we would really like our land to be free of foreign troops. As would any other nation.

> Hundreds of thousands of US troops are stationed in Germany, Japan, Korea here 75 years after the end of the second world war. Do you think we would like them to stay for another decade? Yes, I believe those countries would prefer if we stayed. Japan and S. Korea are particularly close to China and prefer we’re around to tamp down Chinese aggression. Germany is hoping we don’t withdraw our troops: https://m.dw.com/…

> Japan and S. Korea are particularly close to China and prefer we’re around to tamp down Chinese aggression.

It's not that simple. American presence on the Korean peninsula makes reunification efforts overly complicated. By some estimates, reunification would grow the Korean economy to be the third largest in the world. It would also give Koreans access to Russian pipelines and a large border with China. When climate change opens up arctic trade routes and frozen arctic resources, Russia will be in the position to benefit the most (although Putin relies too heavily on his tsarist-Stalinist strain of conservatism to be able to exploit the economy as efficiently as liberals or perhaps Chinese communists might). As convenient as it is to have a powerful ally in the U.S., the U.S. is no longer in a position where it can dictate the behaviors of foreign nations as it once used to, especially regarding China. That's simply a reality that Koreans have had to come to terms with, despite Americans seeming to believe that things can just return to how they used to be half a century ago.

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Post by throwawaysea »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #21

This is not just some pork-barrel politics of bribing a company to stay in a given country. S Korea will view this similarly to Taiwan - their chip fabs are existential to their country and state. The USA is becoming more isolationist - it is nearly oil-independent, so it's signalling pulling out of the middle east (deals with Iran etc). But it is not silicon-independent. So S Korea and Taiwan are totally dependent o…

With that in mind I feel it is time for the US to take a much more aggressive stance in defending Taiwan. They should simply figure out a way for it to be an autonomous territory of the US. Hong Kong as well, since China is not following the requirements of the agreement forged some 20 years ago - we might as well consider those bill and void and forge an agreement with the HK government to bring them into the US fold formally. This would mean security for those territories and mutual economic prosperity.

Re: Samsung boosts non-memory chip investment to $151B

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Post by baybal2 »

will4274 wrote: post #115
mschuster91 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're unexplored for a reason. Fracking is immensely damaging to the ecosystem. Additionally, the US won't ever need to touch these again if it manages to reduce its reliance on fossil fuels.

> Fracking is immensely damaging to the ecosystem. Not really. Energy is a dirty business, and also one filled with politics and propoganda. Fracking, much like nuclear, was targeted mostly for political, not technical reasons. It's damaging, but less so than coal and not all that much more than vanilla drilling and pipelines in general.

Worth to mention that US reserves are enormous even without fracking. Tons of oil, and gas everywhere.

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jari_mustonen wrote: post #16

God damn that is one huge cookie consent pop up. I browse with cell phone and was unable to find what to click to make it dissapear. So I’m now here reading comments to figure out what the artcile said.

uBlock Origin for Firefox mobile removes those concents.
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