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Observing my cellphone switch towers

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Re: Observing my cellphone switch towers

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Nice, that would be really nice to have for large Wi-Fi systems in big commercial buildings too.

This is exactly how (big) wifi systems work. (mesh) If this is not the case in a big commercial building, it was done by choice or because of incompetence.

No it's not. A campus network has a PoE line to each access point. It's not a mesh, they don't route the traffic between the access points over the air.

Re: Observing my cellphone switch towers

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On a related note, this same mechanism can be used as a fallback for GPS to determine device location. I have worked on an IoT device with builtin SIM in the personal alarm space. Often when a device is indoors no GPS fix can be found, but the GSM module can report all celltower ids in range with signal strengths. These can be used to triangulate the device location. Google has an API for this where you can pass celt…

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Re: Observing my cellphone switch towers

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post #19

This discussion reminded me of an iOS app that visualized cell towers in AR. I can't remember the name, though.

You probably mean Richard Vijgen's art project:

http://www.architectureofradio.com

The iOS application:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/architecture-of-radio/id103516...

Re: Observing my cellphone switch towers

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On a related note, this same mechanism can be used as a fallback for GPS to determine device location. I have worked on an IoT device with builtin SIM in the personal alarm space. Often when a device is indoors no GPS fix can be found, but the GSM module can report all celltower ids in range with signal strengths. These can be used to triangulate the device location. Google has an API for this where you can pass celt…

I believe iOS may not bother involving the GPS if the application requests (or is only granted in iOS 14) approximate location, and there are enough towers in-range to triangulate. Not having to enable the GPS subsystems and get a fix saves a fair amount of battery.

Re: Observing my cellphone switch towers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly how (big) wifi systems work. (mesh) If this is not the case in a big commercial building, it was done by choice or because of incompetence.

No it's not. A campus network has a PoE line to each access point. It's not a mesh, they don't route the traffic between the access points over the air.

Isn’t that mesh with back haul? I thought the characteristics of a mesh were that the APs were communicating with themselves to provide handoff. Data can move over the AP or through back haul.

Re: Observing my cellphone switch towers

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post #19

This discussion reminded me of an iOS app that visualized cell towers in AR. I can't remember the name, though.

You probably mean Richard Vijgen's art project: http://www.architectureofradio.com The iOS application: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/architecture-of-radio/id103516...

Wow, HN rocks! That's exactly the app I was thinking about.

Re: Observing my cellphone switch towers

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post #3

How do i do this myself now? I always have put my phone in air plane mode when i was in a train due to the modem consuming a lot more energy. I always assumed and still doe its due switching towers and less connecitivy which means using more power. Whenever people argue that public transport doesn't need wifi i would argue against it due to power usage and also for more accessablity of the internet in general.

> How do i do this myself now?

As the essay notes, it's through TelephonyManager on Android. On iOS it used to be possible through CoreTelephony private APIs, but I think Apple cracked down on these a few years back and either removed them entirely or locked them down behind entitlements, as they were getting abused by analytics frameworks.

Re: Observing my cellphone switch towers

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's not. A campus network has a PoE line to each access point. It's not a mesh, they don't route the traffic between the access points over the air.

Isn’t that mesh with back haul? I thought the characteristics of a mesh were that the APs were communicating with themselves to provide handoff. Data can move over the AP or through back haul.

I think that's roaming. Mesh wifi should IMHO be routing the traffic through the nodes (with possible backhaul).

Re: Observing my cellphone switch towers

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post #29
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t that mesh with back haul? I thought the characteristics of a mesh were that the APs were communicating with themselves to provide handoff. Data can move over the AP or through back haul.

I think that's roaming. Mesh wifi should IMHO be routing the traffic through the nodes (with possible backhaul).

Correct, enterprise wifi is usually just APs with a common SSID and security configuration and some tuning to try to force clients to roam sensibly. There’s no AP to AP comms, it all goes back to the switchport
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