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Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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"Writing meat off completely is taking the easy way out." Why not take the easy way out?

Right? This isn’t 12th grade gym class, it’s an impending global catastrophe.

I'm disgusted with that fact that governments are still subsidizing animal products. Move the subsidies to plant-based options and make it easier to take the easy way out. We're literally and figuratively paying as a society for the privilege to raise and slaughter animals when it's 99% unnecessary.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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The artificial meat market still hasn't been able to address the adverse health effects of isoflavones, and other adverse health effects of phytoestrogens. I'm not referring exclusively to endocrine disruption[5]. There's lots of sources showing negative effects on the brain[1][2][3][4]. These 'impossible meats' are not a good solution. I've heard all of the "eat the bugs" rhetoric regarding addressing the protein ne…

First off, no one is going to argue beyond/impossible meat is necessarily healthy, but these two brands (currently leading the artificial meat market) contain just a small percentage of the isoflavones content found in soy-based products like tofu.

Moreover, the negative late-life cognitive effects ("brain shrinkage") referenced by your second source are just as likely correlated to a lack of B12 and DHA (both vital for brain health) not present naturally in soy but are easily supplemented via other plant-based sources. In fact, lots of modern tofu products are enriched with one or both. The uncontested health benefits of tofu when compared to meat far outweigh the single flimsy correlational 30-year study concluding "tofu shrinks your brain!".

Also just worth noting, you cite four references showing negative effects of isoflavones on the brain, but 4 is about thyroid health, 5 is about reproductive health.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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At what point do we all just stop kidding ourselves and admit that the “answer for climate change” doesn’t exist?

Yeah it’s been a fun ride and all, but we’ve got a HUGE bill coming due over the next 2 or so generations. There’s probably nothing we can do to change that.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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> I run a small, family-operated pig farm in Upstate New York.

Article has the same feel as a fossil fuel company defending natural gas or something. Obviously this is a smaller farming operation than most fossil fuel companies which probably means their GHG emissions aren't huge, but still a vested interest in the status quo.

I've slowly transitioned to chicken once a week or less and no mammals at all. It's great! A lot cheaper and still lots of tasty options — plus tons of restaurants are making it increasingly easy to order vegetarian.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right? This isn’t 12th grade gym class, it’s an impending global catastrophe.

I'm disgusted with that fact that governments are still subsidizing animal products. Move the subsidies to plant-based options and make it easier to take the easy way out. We're literally and figuratively paying as a society for the privilege to raise and slaughter animals when it's 99% unnecessary.

Not sure why this is being downvoted - meat industry is generally subsidised and protected to allow consumers to enjoy cheap meat.

However, most western people are eating way too much meat even from the health perspective - and paying for this is shorter lives and medical bills. There is no perspective on this where eating this much meat is a good thing.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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I don't like this fact: but it seems there's nothing more nutritious for many human geno/phenotypes than meat IMO. It seems the world is waking up to this. And as such, farming is waking up to using more sustainable, health promoting methods (e.g. ditching factory farming). The folks at beyond-meat & various institutions will tell you it's 'unhealthy', but I've never been healthier than when I'm eating mostly meat.

Sorry, are you saying that "meat is the most nutritious" is a fact or simply your opinion?

Easier access to high-quality and safer protein sources was one of the main forces fueling the emergence and evolution of the homo genus. So speaking very generally, yes, protein is a very impactful part of our diet.

The word "nutritious" is too vague imo, though, so I don't really know that I'd say that.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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The crux of this seems to be that ditching meat isn't a silver bullet and we can make meat consumption less environmentally damaging and consume less meat without abandoning it.

But there are no silver bullets anywhere, so the point does not impress at all. It doesn't really detail great reasons to not make this one of the less-than-silver bullets.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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post #3

"Writing meat off completely is taking the easy way out." Why not take the easy way out?

There isn't enough arable land to support everyone on a vegetarian diet

You are trying to tell me that growing food for animals to eat, and then eating the animals, somehow takes less arable land than directly growing foods for humans to eat?

That's just not plausible.

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