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Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Post by spaetzleesser »

blinkingled wrote: post #10

Maybe reducing meat consumption is a good middle ground? Red meat especially seems to have known health risks but even ignoring that the inhumane raising of animals for mass automated slaughter necessitated by huge meat consumption is very much worth addressing as is the climate impact. I really cannot wait to see lab grown meat or plant based meat become credible alternatives - I am not holding my breath but I am mo…

Very true. Most people could reduce their meat consumption by 50% and probably not even notice much. Reduce portion sizes and the obesity problem would also get reduced.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Post by SiempreViernes »

elevenoh wrote: post #7

I don't like this fact: but it seems there's nothing more nutritious for many human geno/phenotypes than meat IMO. It seems the world is waking up to this. And as such, farming is waking up to using more sustainable, health promoting methods (e.g. ditching factory farming). The folks at beyond-meat & various institutions will tell you it's 'unhealthy', but I've never been healthier than when I'm eating mostly meat.

Sorry, are you saying that "meat is the most nutritious" is a fact or simply your opinion?

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Post by windlep »

Not sure a pig farmer has the best perspective on this. I've been on farms in my area, that have land that is not usable for farming, too many rocks, too hilly, etc. The land has enough natural rain-fall and grasses that grow on it to sustain sheep/cattle where there would otherwise be nothing but a fire hazard come the dry season (California).

In this one and perhaps not common scenario, I think eating meat from these sources, slaughtered humanely, is reasonable. This obviously is not enough meat even for locals in my area to be having burgers daily, so a huge reduction in meat consumption is needed even if one wants to continue eating meat 'responsibly'.

This article unfortunately does not mention that grass-fed meat has different omega-3/omega-6 ratios than factory farmed, and eating smaller quantities of grass-fed meat is healthier than larger quantities of factory farmed. Not sure any meat industry person, even sustainable, is going to mention that cutting back from typical American consumption is a good thing.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Post by readflaggedcomm »

yesenadam wrote: post #2

"Ditching meat isn't the answer", "Writing meat off completely is taking the easy way out", by someone who runs "a small, family-operated pig farm", and writes about how "beneficial and rewarding" sustainable farming can be. I'm not sure if they notice they make their living killing pigs. Another point: in the sentence >Commercial meat production got to be the monster it is because corporate interests monopolized the…

Putting human well-being above animals in work, sustenance, and sustainability is not odd or grotesque. Animal welfare secures the future of humanity, which seems enlightened to me, though the author doesn't engage in that pretense or emotional language.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Post by canadianfella »

windlep wrote: post #13

Not sure a pig farmer has the best perspective on this. I've been on farms in my area, that have land that is not usable for farming, too many rocks, too hilly, etc. The land has enough natural rain-fall and grasses that grow on it to sustain sheep/cattle where there would otherwise be nothing but a fire hazard come the dry season (California). In this one and perhaps not common scenario, I think eating meat from the…

> This article unfortunately does not mention that grass-fed meat has different omega-3/omega-6 ratios than factory farmed

How is that relevant to climate change?

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Post by SiempreViernes »

livinginfear wrote: post #9

The artificial meat market still hasn't been able to address the adverse health effects of isoflavones, and other adverse health effects of phytoestrogens. I'm not referring exclusively to endocrine disruption[5]. There's lots of sources showing negative effects on the brain[1][2][3][4]. These 'impossible meats' are not a good solution. I've heard all of the "eat the bugs" rhetoric regarding addressing the protein ne…

Uh, more efficient protein production is part of addressing overpopulation? Or do you mean we shouldn't "allow" quite as many girls to grow up?

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Post by loceng »

windlep wrote: post #13

Not sure a pig farmer has the best perspective on this. I've been on farms in my area, that have land that is not usable for farming, too many rocks, too hilly, etc. The land has enough natural rain-fall and grasses that grow on it to sustain sheep/cattle where there would otherwise be nothing but a fire hazard come the dry season (California). In this one and perhaps not common scenario, I think eating meat from the…

Eating higher quality meat will always be healthier than factory farmed lower quality, quantity needn't be part of that statement; it's what else you eat that causes problems, not unprocessed, high quality meat.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #16
livinginfear wrote: post #9

The artificial meat market still hasn't been able to address the adverse health effects of isoflavones, and other adverse health effects of phytoestrogens. I'm not referring exclusively to endocrine disruption[5]. There's lots of sources showing negative effects on the brain[1][2][3][4]. These 'impossible meats' are not a good solution. I've heard all of the "eat the bugs" rhetoric regarding addressing the protein ne…

Uh, more efficient protein production is part of addressing overpopulation? Or do you mean we shouldn't "allow" quite as many girls to grow up?

Maybe just stop having so many babies.

Re: Ditching meat isn’t the answer for climate change. Better farming is

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Post by doggodaddo78 »

Animal welfare doesn't move people who want their Big Macs and don't have to think about how it got to their mouths.

Climate change, pandemic risks, and antibiotic resistance are the main existential risks of animal agriculture. That's why I don't eat meat: because it's immoral to put others and yourself at unnecessary risk.

It's like FF ICEs: there's no innovating our way out of something that's fundamentally irredeemable.

No one has to eat meat. It's a choice, be it laziness, willful ignorance, or selfishness.

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