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Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world?

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Re: Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world?

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sv40 is a cancer causing virus that contaminated 1/3rd of all polio vaccines. From wikipedia: The discovery of SV40 revealed that between 1955 and 1963 around 90% of children and 60% of adults in the U.S. were inoculated with SV40-contaminated polio vaccines. Link to studies: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=sv40...

"Studies of groups of people who received polio vaccine during 1955–1963 provide evidence of no increased cancer risk." [1]

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25057632/

Re: Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world?

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One thing which I always thought of, but which the article doesn't mention, is age. Especially older people seem more prone to cancer, so in my mind a lower life expectancy will naturally lead to a lower cancer rate, as people die before cancer "is able to get them". Or am I missing something?

This is a common misconception. Life expectancy hasn't changed much. It's children dying that bright down the average in earlier years. If you lived to your 20s your life expectancy was pretty much the same as it is now.

This is most emphatically not true and it is one of the reasons why contemporary pension systems are nearing bankruptcy and healthcare providers struggle with not having enough geriatric professionals.

Living into your 80s was uncommon prior to, well, even 1950. Nowadays, many developed countries have significant cohorts of people 80+ and even 90+. Unfortunately, while those people are alive, they are not particularly healthy. We haven't yet learnt how to expand average "healthspan" as much as average "lifespan".

Re: Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think evolution plays a part in why older people are more prone. A debilitating illness in your teens is likely to stop you reproducing and is more likely to vanish. But a genetic trait for cancer later in life can get past on.

There must be some evolutionary fitting function that mutations serve that have prevented them from being selected out.

Amongst the ""hallmarks of cancer" (there's a pair of papers with that title) is tissue invasion, angiogenesis and immunosuppression - and there are genes for that because the placenta needs those so the fetus can survive and reach term.

What I'd really like to know is incidence of cancer in marsupials, birds and fishes, one would predict it to be markedly lower.

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post #56

sv40 is a cancer causing virus that contaminated 1/3rd of all polio vaccines. From wikipedia: The discovery of SV40 revealed that between 1955 and 1963 around 90% of children and 60% of adults in the U.S. were inoculated with SV40-contaminated polio vaccines. Link to studies: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=sv40...

"Studies of groups of people who received polio vaccine during 1955–1963 provide evidence of no increased cancer risk." [1] [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25057632/

NIH is corrupt and often covers for big pharma which funds it. SV40 has consistently been found in tumors across the body:

https://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/67/17/8065.short

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post #12

One thing which I always thought of, but which the article doesn't mention, is age. Especially older people seem more prone to cancer, so in my mind a lower life expectancy will naturally lead to a lower cancer rate, as people die before cancer "is able to get them". Or am I missing something?

Life expectancy is a tricky number to compare across long spans of time because it's heavily influenced by people dying young which was much more common in the past than it is now, people did die earlier but it's not as bad as a say 40 year life expectancy would make it seem because that number is dragged down by lots of early childhood deaths.

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Probably a dumb question, but I’ve wondered if plastic has anything to do with cancer in the modern era? Mostly everything we consume these days has been touched by a form of plastic.

I think it’s a valid question.

I am wondering if microplastic is a factor in addition to air and water pollution, processed/pre-packaged food.

Another factor maybe humankind beating/cancelling natural selection due to modern medicine. So people who would normally perish in olden days are living longer only to be later killed by cancer.

There’s another factor of total population. More people means more diversity and more DNA copying errors? Can someone expert in this field comment on this?

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Studies of groups of people who received polio vaccine during 1955–1963 provide evidence of no increased cancer risk." [1] [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25057632/

NIH is corrupt and often covers for big pharma which funds it. SV40 has consistently been found in tumors across the body: https://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/67/17/8065.short

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Calling a lot of these things carcinogens is a little odd. It's not synonymous with harmful, and even harm isn't obvious for all of these. Food additives and processing in general? Gluten for people who tolerate it?

During the last 120 years wheat was optimized for machines making its gluten content higher that could explain higher gluten intolerance among people presently.

Asking out of ignorance here: why is higher gluten wheat more optimal for machines?

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The modern age has possibly removed some carcinogens like inhaling smoke from (bon)fires, mycotoxins from spoilt food, nutritional illiteracy and unsanitary conditions. But the modern age has introduced a lot of new ones like tobacco, food additives, sugar, gluten, radiation, asbestos, industrial processing of food, pesticides, sedentary lifestyle.

Gluten is not a carcinogen

Re: Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world?

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post #51
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling a lot of these things carcinogens is a little odd. It's not synonymous with harmful, and even harm isn't obvious for all of these. Food additives and processing in general? Gluten for people who tolerate it?

During the last 120 years wheat was optimized for machines making its gluten content higher that could explain higher gluten intolerance among people presently.

Is there any evidence supporting this hypothesis?
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