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Israeli air strikes destroy offices of Al-Jazeera and AP in Gaza

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Re: Israeli air strikes destroy offices of Al-Jazeera and AP in Gaza

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yoav wrote: post #14
petee wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So when everyone in the building got a call to evacuate, Hamas just said, "no, we'll stay!" If it were a real military target, they would have just bombed it outright, since you're "allowed" to do that in war...my point was its a BS claim. This is the country known for sniping journalists, and taking intentional knee-shots at unarmed protesters, their word has very little value.

They destroyed the equipment. Harder for a smaller group to rebuild when all their offices are destroyed than a big international news network losing one office. edit: I can’t reply to your reply due to hackernews limitation, but I’d imagine the goal is to make it unpalatable for Palestinians to want to share office space with Hamas in the future making it more difficult for them to hide their rocket firing positions…

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Re: Israeli air strikes destroy offices of Al-Jazeera and AP in Gaza

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Post by vimacs2 »

For a possible motivation behind this attack that doesn't come out of the lying teeth of the IDF, there was a recent interview conducted by Medhi Hasan with an Israeli Official where he called him out on his doublespeak.

This is not the first time that Israel have launched attacks in retaliation for speech either.

Re: Israeli air strikes destroy offices of Al-Jazeera and AP in Gaza

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Post by ta_ca »

petee wrote: post #13
ta_ca wrote: post #10

please can someone explain how these troll organisations work? are they using some kind of AI or automated garbage or real people behind every comment? i can not believe what i am reading. there are pictures of dead children and people spamming highfives.

Consider that someone had to kill those children, so I dont think its much of a shock to think there are other people who really support it. There are disgusting people everywhere in society, but before the internet they used to have to hide a little better

a soldier may defer the responsibility and somehow manage to rationalize it. there is also probablity in the equation. but after the fact? horror in front of your eyes how a human being can highfive the death of a children? won't these horrors come home some day? there has got to be some automation going on, these are not human in any sense. i am not talking about a few cases, there are stream of abhorent comments from many accounts.

Re: Israeli air strikes destroy offices of Al-Jazeera and AP in Gaza

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Post by syberslidder »

jjcon wrote: post #9
petee wrote: post #7

How can you justify blowing up a building as a war target, if you're going to tell everyone to evacuate; what was that supposed to accomplish? They say there were targets in there, but if you told them to leave....what?? It is disgusting our country is blindly supporting this

If you read the article: “The building also hosted offices of civilian media outlets, which the Hamas terror group hides behind and uses as human shields”

Why do people always take the IDF at face value? Just two days ago they admitted to lying to the media about a ground invasion as a military tactic, what makes you think they would not lie about this? They've provided zero proof for targeting all this civilian infrastructure. Even some of the videos they try to use to justify the killing of civilians are 3-4 years old. The IDF can not and should not be treated as the end all of the truth, they can claim anything is a legitimate target and get away with it.

Re: Israeli air strikes destroy offices of Al-Jazeera and AP in Gaza

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Post by vimacs2 »

petee wrote: post #15
jjcon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think they should be more aggressive? I think that is what they are trying to avoid > their word has very little value It would seem to the people who matter that is not the case

Clearly I don't think they should be more aggressive, come on. I'm saying Israel loves to target civilians, and they make hollow claims to justify it, yet the evidence speaks for itself, they commit war crimes. Edit: And I forgot to add the real context which is just days ago Israel accused the media of fabricating stories, and now they've gone and blown up their offices. I have a hard time believing thats a coincide…

Correct and it was also following a scathing interview Medhi Hasan had conducted with an Israeli official on Al Jazeera.

I don't understand how anybody with their brain switched on can live with the delusion that Israel is somehow some sort of bastion of democracy and western values in the middle east.

Not only do they actively discriminate and commit war crimes against Arabs (and this across all religions, whether Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) but they also provide arms and training for far right groups in South America for the expressed purpose of suppressing unionisation of workers and democracy. This includes some groups (and this is hilarious) with pronounced anti-Semitic views. Then again, it should not surprise anybody that far right groups tend to support each other (provided that they are at some distance), regardless of the particulars of their respective nationalities.

Re: Israeli air strikes destroy offices of Al-Jazeera and AP in Gaza

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Post by syberslidder »

Isn't it crazy how the Palestinians are always portrayed as the bad guys, but whose on Western media 24/7 every war trying to explain why killing children and destroying civilian infrastructure is the right thing to do? Why checkpoints and total occupation is the right thing to do? Why an ethno-state should exist but not a Palestinian one? Why people should be evicted but never return? Ask yourself this question.

Re: Israeli air strikes destroy offices of Al-Jazeera and AP in Gaza

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Post by DSingularity »

benjaminjosephw wrote: post #20

Isn't this a clear and unambiguous violation of the Geneva convention? > Article 53. Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.[0] [0] - https…

Does Israel recognize the Geneva convention?

Re: Israeli air strikes destroy offices of Al-Jazeera and AP in Gaza

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Post by DSingularity »

ta_ca wrote: post #24
petee wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider that someone had to kill those children, so I dont think its much of a shock to think there are other people who really support it. There are disgusting people everywhere in society, but before the internet they used to have to hide a little better

a soldier may defer the responsibility and somehow manage to rationalize it. there is also probablity in the equation. but after the fact? horror in front of your eyes how a human being can highfive the death of a children? won't these horrors come home some day? there has got to be some automation going on, these are not human in any sense. i am not talking about a few cases, there are stream of abhorent comments fr…

At some point there has got to be a human in the loop, right? I mean, it’s hard for me to imagine that NLP is sufficiently advanced to automate this. Or maybe the present limitations of NLP systems is what leads to “high-fives” on threads related to Palestinian children deaths but that is accepted as trolling absorbs the energies of pro-Palestinian activists and wastes their efforts.

Re: Israeli air strikes destroy offices of Al-Jazeera and AP in Gaza

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Post by vimacs2 »

syberslidder wrote: post #27

Isn't it crazy how the Palestinians are always portrayed as the bad guys, but whose on Western media 24/7 every war trying to explain why killing children and destroying civilian infrastructure is the right thing to do? Why checkpoints and total occupation is the right thing to do? Why an ethno-state should exist but not a Palestinian one? Why people should be evicted but never return? Ask yourself this question.

This is how it will remain as long as Israel remains a useful tool for the US. The reasoning we're given for this near fanatical support is because they are one of the few allies they have in the Middle East but this is not really the root cause (they have the Saudis after all).

Israel is essentially used as a money launderer for the US where they can by proxy aid the perpetuation of fascist regimes in Central and Southern America to keep a stranglehold over the Panama canal trade route, the oil there, and the rare earth metals including lithium which the US will grow increasingly dependant on as they transition into renewables. Israel has spent billions in arms and training for many of these military and paramilitary organisations that engage in such fun activities as mowing down people who they even vaguely suspect of unionising as well as massacring villages of indigenous tribes that happen to stand in the way of oil pipelines.

The US used to do this military aid themselves in the 60's through to the 80's but the PR has grown so bad that now they just give Israel billions in US taxpayer money to engage in it for them. The media is a lot easier to control in Israel.

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