The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear • Hacker News Board

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by winsbe01 » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 12:10 AM UTC

nextparadigms wrote: post #41

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #4

Duh. Click around Google after being in Google+. Your full account loads into the interface, it's very apparent that Google+ is the "next version of Google". I assume that eventually the "+" moniker will be dropped and it will simply be "Share with your Google Circle", etc. They say they're integrating it into their products... I think it's the other way around. Look at how Gmail contacts are treated in Google+, they…

The context with Gmail is exactly what got them in trouble with Buzz. People think of e-mail as a very private tool, as opposed to a social network where things are not exactly private.

true, but with Buzz, everyone was added by default. it sort of sprung up out of nowhere, with everyone rushing to shut it down (myself included). with this, it seems that the privacy can be maintained (at least the feeling) with circles.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by levesque » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 12:18 AM UTC

dilap wrote: post #22

This is actually a misfeature -- it's hard enough to avoid procrastinating without having to summon the super-human willpower necessary to avoid clicking your notifications every time you do a simple search.

I love Google+ so far, but I think this notification in all google sites is overkill. I'll be one of those looking for ways to disable that notification area.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by kevin_morrill » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 12:29 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #37

farlington wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a brilliant strategy, and I'd be very surprised if it doesn't lead to some antitrust litigation.

I think it's difficult to make the anti-trust case against Google. Unlike Microsoft's control of the desktop, people choose to use Google everyday. It would be so very very easy to switch to Bing tomorrow (even easier than choosing not to use Facebook!) but people have chosen not to switch. Just because you have a lot of marketshare doesn't mean you are a monopoly. It's also quite easy to say that consumers will bene…

Antitrust doesn't really on reason. It's a completely subjective law. In one breath you can be guilty because you have prices too low, in another because you have prices too high. Ultimately, it relies on how much pull you can exercise of politicians and bureaucrats.

I am not saying it's a good situation, just that that's reality.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by ignifero » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 12:31 AM UTC

Add to that the frustration that the thousands of facebook developers feel with the never ending changes and broken documentation. Btw, i believe Zynga is tied to facebook via some agreement. I d really like to know more about google's plans about its platform.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by monjaro » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 12:38 AM UTC

dekz wrote: post #35

epochwolf wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't. I got an invite on my epochwolf gmail account but signed up with my personal gmail account. (Which I happened to be logged in to at the time)

So you went from @gmail to @gmail? Not Apps domain to @gmail

I went from Apps domain to gmail and it worked fine.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by nlanier » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 12:39 AM UTC

The other trump card: Chrome. Bake the Google bar in and Facebook is in a world of hurt.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by joebadmo » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 1:03 AM UTC

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #49

joebadmo wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but that's still a significant amount of friction for something as important as understanding what your social context is. And how many people are really going to understand that that distinction even exists? I think the real problem is that there's no easy mental model for the way information flows through the system. That's what metaphors are for. A "Circle" is not a metaphor. It's just a brand.

The people that don't notice are the same ones spamming their friends with FarmVille invites and there's limited controls for blocking them without disavowing them entirely within Facebook. They're the people that post drunk pics to Facebook in "Everyone" albums without any consideration. So what if they use + the same way. Ignore them, move them to a quieter circle. And for their benefit, it defaults to a more prote…

I definitely agree that Circles are better. I don't think they're as good as they could be. I don't think it's that clear for people, even those that are outside the group you cite, where exactly their comments are going. It's discoverable, but it's certainly not immediately obvious. I think privacy usability is really important, you want to make that stuff as easy and intuitive as possible.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by floppydisk » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 1:04 AM UTC

matwood wrote: post #7

This article is dead on. I already have many google apps open all day and g+ will integrate with those nicely. A friend already exclaimed this morning that the google apps integration is what will kill FB (if that's even possible - myspace still has users). He then set out to move over those he actually cared about on FB to g+. I especially like default use of groups and how it forces users to think about privacy fro…

The groups setup is a brilliant stab at Facebook's handling of privacy issues. I think they're going to make a push to gain ground from Facebook by saying they are taking security seriously from day 1 instead of waiting for something embarrassing to happen.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by johnl » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 1:20 AM UTC

matwood wrote: post #7

This article is dead on. I already have many google apps open all day and g+ will integrate with those nicely. A friend already exclaimed this morning that the google apps integration is what will kill FB (if that's even possible - myspace still has users). He then set out to move over those he actually cared about on FB to g+. I especially like default use of groups and how it forces users to think about privacy fro…

Business really seems to like Facebook. More and more I see "check us out on our Facebook page". I want to see how Google addresses the display ad advantage Facebook presently has.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by pavel_lishin » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 1:20 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #37

farlington wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a brilliant strategy, and I'd be very surprised if it doesn't lead to some antitrust litigation.

I think it's difficult to make the anti-trust case against Google. Unlike Microsoft's control of the desktop, people choose to use Google everyday. It would be so very very easy to switch to Bing tomorrow (even easier than choosing not to use Facebook!) but people have chosen not to switch. Just because you have a lot of marketshare doesn't mean you are a monopoly. It's also quite easy to say that consumers will bene…

> It would be so very very easy to switch to Bing tomorrow (even easier than choosing not to use Facebook!) but people have chosen not to switch.

I assume that Bing also offers free e-mail with as many features, a calendar system, an equivalent of Google Reader, etc? Unless it can deliver all of that, it wouldn't be a very easy switch for me - whereas ditching Facebook is literally something I contemplate every time I access it and see the crap that's on my feed.