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Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by happymellon »

dmitriid wrote: post #304
happymellon wrote: post #280

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I have no idea why you would assume that I don't know how to change a keyboard layout. I have my keyboard set to UK ISO so the keys don't match what is printed. I don't understand why you don't see that a company that sells laptops with proprietary keyboard layouts is bad.

Ah yes, unlike every other company that ships opensource keyboards right? As a person who has had laptops and keyboards with layouts in Russian, Turkish, Romanian and Swedish, and who uses US layout almost exclusively, I honestly have zero idea what your problem is.

I have no idea really what you are talking about, but in the UK we have a standard layout. And no matter who I buy from they are all identical except for Lenovo Function key which is swapped with Control, but otherwise identical.

Except Apple who's keyboard is drastically different to literally everyone else's.

Why do they bother with such a poor layout if they are supposed to be such consumer centric?

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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X-Istence wrote: post #285
TwoNineA wrote: post #203

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> Multi- and highres monitor support out of the box with proper scaling and readable fonts My M1 mini has all kinds of issues with 2 4k monitors attached. Sometimes waking up from sleep, the monitor plugged into TB scales to default setting (200%?) instead my config (125%). And don't get me started on Ultra Wide support.

I’ve got a 49 inch ultra wide connected to my MacBook Pro using a Belkin Thunderbolt dock… what about ultra wide support?

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Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by dmitriid »

happymellon wrote: post #321
dmitriid wrote: post #304

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Ah yes, unlike every other company that ships opensource keyboards right? As a person who has had laptops and keyboards with layouts in Russian, Turkish, Romanian and Swedish, and who uses US layout almost exclusively, I honestly have zero idea what your problem is.

I have no idea really what you are talking about, but in the UK we have a standard layout. And no matter who I buy from they are all identical except for Lenovo Function key which is swapped with Control, but otherwise identical. Except Apple who's keyboard is drastically different to literally everyone else's. Why do they bother with such a poor layout if they are supposed to be such consumer centric?

By "drastically different" you mean "has maybe two differences that are not too different to weird stuff manufacturers do to keyboards"?

Note: removing # in favor of £ is apparently standard for UK keyboards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards...

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by [deleted] »

laumars wrote: post #303
tokamak-teapot wrote: post #188

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I wouldn’t say I work with files a lot, but when I do, Finder seems to work ‘fine’. What do you find ‘appalling’ about it? If I’m missing the option to make my life much easier by using an alternative I’d like to at least try something else out.

You can’t input paths for starters. That means you can’t open dot files or navigate dot directories. Of which there are a great many in FOSS. The answer is to open up a terminal and run ‘open .blah’, which is just an appalling work around to a simple problem. Even Windows handles this use case better and that’s saying something.

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Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by moshmosh »

sagarm wrote: post #261
moshmosh wrote: post #158

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Homebrew's very up to date, without that cutting-edge quality risking system stability (since that's totally separate) and has an incredible number of supported packages, including tons of closed-source stuff, out of the box . No hunting down PPAs or obscure unofficial back-port packages or anything. The only Linux package managers I've seen even approach it (not match, but approach) are from bleeding-edge distros li…

Some of this is a matter of taste, clearly. I strongly prefer having my system packages being rock solid; I can always fetch updated software for the very few cases where I want that. However, my aversion to homebrew goes beyond taste: my experience with homebrew is rife with breakages. To be fair we were trying to use it in a CI system, which will very quickly reveal a buggy system. By contrast, apt/dnf are rock sol…

Yeah, I don't manage dev dependencies for projects in home-brew, just software for which I am a mere user. I probably wouldn't use apt and friends for those, either—not directly on my workstation anyway, maybe in some pinned-OS-version VM—unless my workstation happened to be identical to my deploy target and was guaranteed to stay that way. For a macOS build for C or C++ or anything along those lines, I'd probably vendor dependencies.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by moshmosh »

soraminazuki wrote: post #291
moshmosh wrote: post #158

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Homebrew's very up to date, without that cutting-edge quality risking system stability (since that's totally separate) and has an incredible number of supported packages, including tons of closed-source stuff, out of the box . No hunting down PPAs or obscure unofficial back-port packages or anything. The only Linux package managers I've seen even approach it (not match, but approach) are from bleeding-edge distros li…

> Homebrew's very up to date, ... and has an incredible number of supported packages Package stats from Repology seems to contradict this claim: https://repology.org/repositories/graphs It's not bad, but it's not the best either. Not even close. > including tons of closed-source stuff Homebrew doesn't ship any proprietary formulae at all . They have a clear policy against it: > We don’t like binary formulae > Our pol…

> Homebrew doesn't ship any proprietary formulae at all. They have a clear policy against it:

And yet, I can install Sublime Text, Slack, and others through it out of the box. I just checked a couple more, Figma's there. Microsoft Office. Steam.

You used to have to run a one-liner to enable casks (just one, not one for every damn vendor like with apt) but not anymore.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by s_fischer »

dchackernew wrote: post #264
breakfastduck wrote: post #238

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A true macOS subsystem for Linux would be incredible. I just can't use Linux or Windows for my desktop OS. Windows for gaming, macOS for work/daily. God knows I've tried to run Linux. But it's just nowhere near as hassle free as I desire. Widows is out soely due to native non unix command line.

I didn't get much of a chance to work with Windows & WSL2, but I felt like it was a really comfortable experience as long as you were fine with WindowsOS as a display manager and Linux for your CLI. There can be some annoyances around software dual installed to Windows and the WSL 'containers', but the CLI experience certainly felt pretty good to me. Used MobaXterm (free, not open) which satisfied the good terminal e…

I personally find windows10 to be one of the most "invasive" desktop experiences that I've ever used. No matter what I do, I can't seem to properly turn off all the bloat and extra notification shipped with it.

I'm sure YMMV but I just have a hard time taking it seriously for anything beyond booting up to play a game. I wouldn't even use it for that if I had a choice and the supported OS landscape was different than it is.

The icing on the cake for me was when I had to edit the registry in order to re-enable the checkbox toggle for booting directly into the desktop. I just wanted to be able to turn on my steam box and be able to boot right into big picture mode on startup but MS had different ideas about what options I should be presented with by default.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by s_fischer »

jorl17 wrote: post #211
kelnos wrote: post #163

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> I'm sorry, but no Linux DE I've ever used beats macOS in terms of stability. Been running Xfce since 2004 with no stability issues whatsoever. > Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as well as my Mac. Oof, I guess you never got a Mac during 2016-2020 or so. They've been gradually declining in build quality. I owned Mac laptops continually from 2005 until 2019, and…

These are all just anecdotes. From you, OP, and me... > Been running Xfce since 2004 with no stability issues whatsoever. I ran Linux (and was a _fierce_ OSS fanatic) from ~2002 to 2012. I've been a mac user since 2012. I moved around, using LXDE, Xfce, Gnome, KDE, no DE at all (openbox...)... I used Ubuntu, Mint, Gentoo, ADIOS, Crunchbang, Fedora... Linux DEs were solid, but they never felt sufficiently polished. Wh…

This is where I'm at. As much as I like the idea of using Linux on the desktop, Im never fully content once I try it. Even after I've put in all the effort to customize everything to my liking, I'm then faced with the fear that I'm one update away from that setup breaking.

At least I know for the most part that my boring macOS setup is going to keep working. (Unless I need a 32 bit app of course!)

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by happymellon »

dmitriid wrote: post #323
happymellon wrote: post #321

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I have no idea really what you are talking about, but in the UK we have a standard layout. And no matter who I buy from they are all identical except for Lenovo Function key which is swapped with Control, but otherwise identical. Except Apple who's keyboard is drastically different to literally everyone else's. Why do they bother with such a poor layout if they are supposed to be such consumer centric?

By "drastically different" you mean "has maybe two differences that are not too different to weird stuff manufacturers do to keyboards"? Note: removing # in favor of £ is apparently standard for UK keyboards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards...

You should read your own link.

We do put the £ where Americans put #, but we don't remove it from the keyboard.

2 differences? Read your link.

Back tick is in the wrong place, hash as already discussed is in the wrong place, forward slash is in the wrong place, double quote is in the wrong place, @ is in the wrong place.

This isn't about Super being switched with Alt.

Re: Lima: Linux-on-Mac

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Post by happymellon »

breakfastduck wrote: post #240
happymellon wrote: post #119

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> Macbooks are solid laptops. Every other laptop I've owned hasn't stood the test of time as well as my Mac. If you are American. In the UK, I find the keyboard layout bewildering. It is not ANSI and it isn't ISO. It's some other thing, with keys that don't exist in any other English speaking keyboard. They even hide # behind a special alt key combo. Other things about it are good, but there are some design decisions…

The keyboard layout is absolutely non standard in the UK but it's absolutely standard apple in the UK. Appreciate that may be off if you're trying to adopt but I'm so used to this layout after many, many years. I'm using a 2007 iMac keyboard and it matches exactly to my 2019 16". For example, the alt 3 for hash is so naturally embedded I reach for it when using windows machines. I have to do weird rebinds on my windo…

That's nice that you have trained yourself, but it's crappy enough that MacWorld had to write an article explaining how to use the keyboard.

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/hashtag-mac-3688542/

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