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Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by watwut »

nomay wrote: post #81
knrz wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard their algorithm is quantized — first your video is “piloted” with a small set of people that are guaranteed to see it. Then, if it passes a metric, it graduates to a bigger pool of people. And then one more level.

There are plenty of experiments on this, testers opened new accounts and almost immediately they had hundreds of viewers, but when asked to repond in exchange for cash, no one did. I mean, what's stopping them from doing this, everyone seems to be happy about it. Initially they called these numbers "viewer count", but apparently it got too embarrassing even for themselves, one streamer reached 5.9 billion. Then they…

> when asked to repond in exchange for cash, no one did

Sounds like scam, honestly. How do you get that cash to me? Cause I just don't feel like giving my account number to someone on tiktok.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by Apocryphon »

contriban wrote: post #51
sergiotapia wrote: post #25

Tiktok has replaced tv for me. I can watch some fun content for 20 minutes before bed and go back to my life. No more 45 minute commitments to watch a series.

I hate that. I noticed I developed this pattern over years of consuming short content online. Why start a big task (or even watch a movie) when there’s this 5 minute video (repeated over 20 videos). TikTok takes this to the extreme with 5-second videos that keep your mind busy without ever having to make a choice. This is addiction and I had to delete TikTok like I deleted YouTube and Facebook. Now Instagram got reel…

Yeah, why read books when you can read online articles? Why even read longreads when you can read summaries? Why read a summary when there's a Tweet thread? Why read when you can listen to the audio of a YouTube video you're not even looking at? And so on and on and on. There's an insidiousness to online media that seems even worse than how TV used to be. At least TV, radio, and print were all clearly separate mediums. Now it's all hypertext, equally evanescent.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by freshhawk »

mujina93 wrote: post #89

Basically every comment here says positive things about tiktok. Is this a bot invasion on HN or is it really that good? The few times I tried it it gave me loads of crappy content. No thank you, I'm not in for another doom scrolling addiction. The world has already enough addictive dopamine-f**ing time-sucker almost contentless social medias. I don't have the energies to fight against or maniacally curate my feed for…

Tiktok is "addictive dopamine-f*ing time-sucker almost contentless social medias" perfected more than anything else, by a pretty good margin.

It's a good thing to avoid honestly, you miss out a few rare genuinely funny jokes and avoid the brain damage. Seems like a good trade. Wish I'd made that choice.

If you are in the business of inflicting this kind of addiction on other people then I can understand the positive attitude, Tiktok is a work of art on that front.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by sjg007 »

herpderperator wrote: post #42

I think part of TikTok's success is the fact that they have a public/guest browser platform[0] that doesn't restrict you from seeing content without an account. It means people who wouldn't usually have the mobile app can still be a part of the action, and that may eventually drive them to sign up. It's actually almost unbelievable that you can browse endlessly and never once be prompted to sign up unless you try to…

You probably can identify someone without an account these days. So for some applications you really only need one of you want to post and even then I bet you can get away without one.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by tylorr »

xmprt wrote: post #69
tyingq wrote: post #54

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Though, sadly, things like Facebook Marketplace are eating nice sites like craigslist: https://dealerpromoterpro.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Sim...

I don't know if I'd call craigslist a nice site. I know it checks all the boxes that HN loves but when I'm trying to buy something simple from the site, I'd rather not have to give the seller my email and/or phone number. Last I checked, there was no way to message on the website itself.

In my experience craigslist has always used a dummy email address between you and the seller. Neither person would see the real email address of the other. Of course, I'd eventually hand over my phone number to make communication easier.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by ladon86 »

dang wrote: post #58
dang wrote: post #46

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Ok, I hear you and believe that you're asking in good faith. Let's break it down: > TikTok is the greatest creativity tools I've seen in years and I am fascinated Good, interesting, curious. A great start! > how people are trying to downplay or outright dismiss it Veers from curious to indignant. This is the point where things start to go wrong. > because of their nationalistic or political feelings Flamebait > It's…

I was thinking about this this evening, and thought of another way to explain the "expected value of a thread" concept (or as I sometimes put it: the value of a post is the expected value of the subthread it leads to - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... ), which is key to HN discussion. The thing to understand is that HN threads are supposed to be conversations. A conversation isn't a one…

Dang, I just wanted to say how much I appreciate the work you do here.

I've seen you engage with posters in this way so many times (though this reply is particularly loquacious!).

I'm always struck by how unusual that level of effort is. A typical moderator would probably just hit the 'ban' button and move on.

I do agree that mrtksn seems well-intentioned here, but even in cases where good faith seems unlikely, I've seen you take the time to explain the rules kindly and substantively.

At first glance, trying to educate bad faith posters might seem like an example of PG's "do things that don't scale" maxim. But surprisingly, I think your approach scales pretty well. You may not always succeed in changing the behavior of the poster you're replying to, but your replies have a positive and scalable impact on this community because they role model good behavior to the thousands of other people reading. And that's leadership.

Thanks again.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by greggman3 »

mseepgood wrote: post #73
buryat wrote: post #60

I have never seen so many to say "average" people on tiktok like on any other social platform, in a sense that I can relate to those people and don't feel like a celebrity is trying to feed me some content down my throat. There's so much of normalization of everything that I'm blown away by how normal Tiktok is, you can see teenagers struggling in a school, you can see people hating their 9-5 jobs, you can see crafts…

> I have never seen so many to say "average" people on tiktok like on any other social platform, in a sense that I can relate to those people and don't feel like a celebrity is trying to feed me some content down my throat. Youtube was like that before ads and monetization were introduced.

For me, youtube is better now than at any other time I've used it. My feed is almost entirely very well made talks, and lessons, and tutorials. That they have a 2-3 minute "this video brought to you by ABC" doesn't bother me at all as the content is amazing. Anything I want to know there are 25+ plus different people willing to explain it to me.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by input_sh »

mseepgood wrote: post #77

Is TikTok just for funniness, or does it have content that conveys information?

It does have content with actual information, it's just difficult to cram it into the format. First the limit was 6 seconds, then upped to 15, and I believe the current limit is a minute.

So when it does contain some information, people usually talk far too quickly. Like you're scrolling through fun shit that doesn't require you to think at all and then you're suddenly looking at an equivalent of a YouTube video at 2x the speed.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by valtism »

mujina93 wrote: post #89

Basically every comment here says positive things about tiktok. Is this a bot invasion on HN or is it really that good? The few times I tried it it gave me loads of crappy content. No thank you, I'm not in for another doom scrolling addiction. The world has already enough addictive dopamine-f**ing time-sucker almost contentless social medias. I don't have the energies to fight against or maniacally curate my feed for…

I don’t know. I’ve been hearing from people who actually use the app that it is really good, and the video editor is amazing.

I disregarded the platform at first because the content it surfaced didn’t appeal to me, but I can see how with good algorithms it can become a real platform for the future.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by tolbish »

markus92 wrote: post #34
oars wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who doesn't use Tiktok, how can Tiktok guarantee at least hundreds of views for all videos on their platform? How do they entice users to click on these videos hundreds of times?

You don't click. When you open the app, the first thing you see is a "random" video (selected by their creepily good algorithm). Watched it or don't like it? Swipe through and the next video instantly starts. The app is good at figuring out which videos get engaged with and promotes these. Though there is the functionality to go to user profiles and click videos, like on Instagram and such, it's not the main function…

You know, that's not too different from how HN works.
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