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Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by nomay »

knrz wrote: post #78
nomay wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese livestreaming platforms have an addiction to inflating numbers, so I'm not sure if those are all real, or just growth hacking and user retention tricks. Since it's just senconds long and users will switch if they don't like the first few seconds, the sunk cost is relatively low.

I heard their algorithm is quantized — first your video is “piloted” with a small set of people that are guaranteed to see it. Then, if it passes a metric, it graduates to a bigger pool of people. And then one more level.

There are plenty of experiments on this, testers opened new accounts and almost immediately they had hundreds of viewers, but when asked to repond in exchange for cash, no one did.

I mean, what's stopping them from doing this, everyone seems to be happy about it.

Initially they called these numbers "viewer count", but apparently it got too embarrassing even for themselves, one streamer reached 5.9 billion. Then they call it "popularity index" since everybody knew it's fake.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by pm90 »

mseepgood wrote: post #73
buryat wrote: post #60

I have never seen so many to say "average" people on tiktok like on any other social platform, in a sense that I can relate to those people and don't feel like a celebrity is trying to feed me some content down my throat. There's so much of normalization of everything that I'm blown away by how normal Tiktok is, you can see teenagers struggling in a school, you can see people hating their 9-5 jobs, you can see crafts…

> I have never seen so many to say "average" people on tiktok like on any other social platform, in a sense that I can relate to those people and don't feel like a celebrity is trying to feed me some content down my throat. Youtube was like that before ads and monetization were introduced.

TikTok already does have ads/monetization.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by rapsey »

gundmc wrote: post #75
akkawwakka wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The moderation is a definite net positive. Though those with political viewpoints opposite a given user and anti-vaxxers have abused the stringent moderation to wantonly get videos taken down or users’ live stream disabled. Growing pains.

> The moderation is a definite net positive. Their moderation was effective at growing the platform, but pretty horrific in its own right. https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/16/21181496/tiktok-ugly-poor...

You definitely have your own definition of horrific.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by pm90 »

ALittleLight wrote: post #59
markus92 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't click. When you open the app, the first thing you see is a "random" video (selected by their creepily good algorithm). Watched it or don't like it? Swipe through and the next video instantly starts. The app is good at figuring out which videos get engaged with and promotes these. Though there is the functionality to go to user profiles and click videos, like on Instagram and such, it's not the main function…

The other thing TikTok does well is that it removes choice. On YouTube you look at a dozen videos and think "Do I want to watch any of these, or look at another dozen recommendations?" It's kind of similar to picking something on Netflix. With TikTok you can just mindlessly "Next, next, next". I am not one to get hooked on social media, but I found myself wasting time so easily on TikTok I had to delete it from my ph…

> The other thing TikTok does well is that it removes choice.

So its like a millennial TV? :)

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by pm90 »

mseepgood wrote: post #77

Is TikTok just for funniness, or does it have content that conveys information?

The thing is ... nobody knows, since what every user sees is a somewhat random and unique collection of videos.

My profile is like 50% silly/funny/hot-takes, 30% related to ethnicity-tok for my ethnicity and 20% niche stuff like a Texas Beekeeper who likes to remove bees safely, a pool cleaner who shows videos of his "worst jobs" etc.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by deanCommie »

mseepgood wrote: post #73
buryat wrote: post #60

I have never seen so many to say "average" people on tiktok like on any other social platform, in a sense that I can relate to those people and don't feel like a celebrity is trying to feed me some content down my throat. There's so much of normalization of everything that I'm blown away by how normal Tiktok is, you can see teenagers struggling in a school, you can see people hating their 9-5 jobs, you can see crafts…

> I have never seen so many to say "average" people on tiktok like on any other social platform, in a sense that I can relate to those people and don't feel like a celebrity is trying to feed me some content down my throat. Youtube was like that before ads and monetization were introduced.

The ads/monetization threshold isn't the major difference, but the remembrance of YouTube in the pre-celbrity/late night era is completely astute.

We're in a Golden Age of Tik Tok, and it won't last. We get to enjoy the chaos and caucophony of lots of people getting 15 mins of fame.

It's not gonna last :(

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by pm90 »

sergiotapia wrote: post #25

Tiktok has replaced tv for me. I can watch some fun content for 20 minutes before bed and go back to my life. No more 45 minute commitments to watch a series.

I love Tiktok but I do also enjoy watching well produced long form TV.

I've noticed that having a diversity in my information diet is somewhat nice. Lots of [podcasts, twitter], less of [TikTok, news] and more rarely (unfortunately) books.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by schmorptron »

herpderperator wrote: post #42

I think part of TikTok's success is the fact that they have a public/guest browser platform[0] that doesn't restrict you from seeing content without an account. It means people who wouldn't usually have the mobile app can still be a part of the action, and that may eventually drive them to sign up. It's actually almost unbelievable that you can browse endlessly and never once be prompted to sign up unless you try to…

Interesting, I recently downloaded the android app to see if there was anything interesting for me, but there they wouldn't let you past without signing up

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by mujina93 »

Basically every comment here says positive things about tiktok. Is this a bot invasion on HN or is it really that good?

The few times I tried it it gave me loads of crappy content. No thank you, I'm not in for another doom scrolling addiction. The world has already enough addictive dopamine-f**ing time-sucker almost contentless social medias. I don't have the energies to fight against or maniacally curate my feed for yet another one.

I'd evaluate the usefulness of a social media or any other app by looking at a couple of metrics: 1) how much time do you spend there daily? 2) after you have used it, do you feel a better/improved person? I'd be curious to see numbers for these metrics. If anybody has links to papers/surveys that study how good or bad is a certain social media, please feel free to share.

Re: TikTok Remix Culture

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Post by Apocryphon »

deanCommie wrote: post #86
mseepgood wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have never seen so many to say "average" people on tiktok like on any other social platform, in a sense that I can relate to those people and don't feel like a celebrity is trying to feed me some content down my throat. Youtube was like that before ads and monetization were introduced.

The ads/monetization threshold isn't the major difference, but the remembrance of YouTube in the pre-celbrity/late night era is completely astute. We're in a Golden Age of Tik Tok, and it won't last. We get to enjoy the chaos and caucophony of lots of people getting 15 mins of fame. It's not gonna last :(

Maybe then it'll be Vine 2's turn.
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