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China lands rover on Mars

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Re: China lands rover on Mars

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>Now that Zhurong has got down successfully, scientists will try to get at least 90 Martian days of service out of it, studying the local geology. 90 days, doesn't that seem short?

All things considered, 90 days is pretty good for how harsh of an environment Mars can be. Also, there are dozens of ways to make the mission last longer but no ways of accomplishing that without adding more weight.

This makes me think about the way we define “harsh”.

What’s actually so harsh about Mars?

Let’s imagine some alien civilization tries to send a probe to Earth, they’d be saying things like:

“Dude, that atmosphere is gonna burn our shit up before it even touches ground, if we’re not careful.”

“Holy shit, what are these huge animals with long noses and big ears? They’re gonna destroy our probe if they walk over it.”

“Let’s avoid landing in that area where those bipedals are still waging war.”

“The rain is acidic! WT bloody F?”

“Ugh, those black-and-white swimming things seem like assholes who like to play with their food, let’s steer clear of them.”

Re: China lands rover on Mars

#122

This is good, there should always be friendly competition between Nations to drive Space Exploration. I hope this lights a bigger fire under the ass of the current US Administration and NASA to push ahead harder, faster and farther. The US doesn't know how lucky they are to have SpaceX and Musk.

No thanks. Not looking forward to a friendly competition to develop auxiliary technology for wmds with an authoritarian regime. I like such regimes technologically obtuse. Maybe we can also give Iran and NK an award for pushing the boundaries of human knowledge on nuclear science. Your assessment of risk to humanity vs reward for human scientific progress is out of whack.

The remote authoritarian regime you fear the most have the covid-19 pandemic well under control for its people. And you still have to deal with the virus at your doorstep in your non-authoritarian paradise. How good is that?

Re: China lands rover on Mars

#123

I had no idea they had a rover on the way, very cool! What is the objective and the interest in the Utopia site?

It has a ground penetrating radar to see stuff 100 m below the ground, something that no other Mars rover has done before. I think that's pretty cool!

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spirit and Opportunity both had 90-day official mission lengths as well and look how long they lasted. I think this is a simple case of underpromise and overdeliver.

Ah that explains where the 90 days in the Chinese rover comes from. It’s per the original specs.

“Those darn Chinese! They’re also launching their projectiles at 45 degree angles! They’re obviously copying the techniques we invented when the laws of physics first came into being!”

That’s you. That’s how you sound.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

#127

Does anyone have plans to land on Venus? Is that way more difficult or something?

The USSR did back in the day. It is much more harder, not to necessary land, but for your lander to survive more than a couple of hours.

It is hot like an oven, with 400F temperatures, and multiple ATM pressures. It is much a more challenging environment.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

#128

Does anyone have plans to land on Venus? Is that way more difficult or something?

Not that I know of, Venus is kinda crazy. 90 ATM pressure, -1 pH acid rain, about 700 K temperatures at night, it's pretty absurd. Unless you want to make a probe out of solid Tungsten, you're probably out of luck. And good luck getting that out of low earth orbit, that would be stupidly heavy.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider that China is banned from the ISS and other kinds of space technology collaboration programs. China had to develop all space technology on their own. Some perspective on how significant.

Not downplaying the achievements as they just achieved something the Soviet and Russian programs could not even at the height of their powers during the space race. But there are plenty of countries most notably Russia that have allowed China to purchase military/dual use technologies. Hardware such as advanced fighter jets, missile and rocket technology, and there’s also the huge numbers of tertiary education studen…

Did the Soviets make any major attempt for Mars? I thought that after the moon, they were mostly focused on Venus during the space race. Their ~28 Venus missions were no joke, with up to 5300 kg payloads for lander + orbiter, comparable to the Zhurong lander + orbiter payload of 5000 kg. Perhaps someone more skilled at rocket science than me can comment on the relative difficulty of moving mass to Mars vs Venus. From the table in Wikipedia's delta-v article they look about the same.

That said, congratulations to China for this achievement, and the more rovers we have on mars, the more science we learn. I hope China also has a new space telescope on their to-do list.

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