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China lands rover on Mars

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Re: China lands rover on Mars

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> China had to develop all space technology on their own.

It’s hard not to laugh at that statement. China runs the largest IP theft program in the world. To the point U.S. companies factor it in when doing business there.

Just search this - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=china+steals&t=fpas&ia=web

They also had the “thousand talents program”.

That’s not to say what they did was not impressive, it was. But it’s also a lot of stolen IP.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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post #3

Now that more and more countries are getting into space exploration, I wonder how long it will be before commercial companies start developing and selling space probe platforms (just like launch platforms now).

There's a number of private moon landers under development.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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"Hey NASA, can I copy your homework"? "uhhh..." "It's okay, I'll just change it up a little bit so it doesn't look like a 1:1 copy of Spirit and Opportunity" https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-tianwen-1-enters-mars-orbit/a-5... More seriously, there's probably only so many valid 6-wheeled rocker bogey suspension type rover designs that are possible, but the resemblance is uncanny. NASA also likely spent a lot of time study…

nothing wrong with copying a working design, when you're in a high risk situation it's prudent to reduce variables

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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I love that China is doing so well in space. I love that China has pulled millions out of poverty with an incredible economic uprising. However I'm terrified of the CCP. I'm terrified of the monitoring and suppression of dissenting views. I don't trust that they won't try to impose their influence on the rest of the world, and I'm not super happy about how they treat their own people. So news like this stirs very mixed emotions.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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post #9

"Hey NASA, can I copy your homework"? "uhhh..." "It's okay, I'll just change it up a little bit so it doesn't look like a 1:1 copy of Spirit and Opportunity" https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-tianwen-1-enters-mars-orbit/a-5... More seriously, there's probably only so many valid 6-wheeled rocker bogey suspension type rover designs that are possible, but the resemblance is uncanny. NASA also likely spent a lot of time study…

From 1947 to 1957 US media was filled with the idea that all progress in the Soviet Union was from stealing US innovations. Particularly the 1949 A-bomb, but other things as well.

Then the Soviet Union launched Sputnik. Then they put a dog in space. Then they put a man in space. And the narrative changed.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider that China is banned from the ISS and other kinds of space technology collaboration programs. China had to develop all space technology on their own. Some perspective on how significant.

They also steal research, but, I understand the point you are trying to make.

It is not like even you are open all US research to one country in an instant, they would be able to build their own next decade.

China did a really good job figuring out the know-hows and had their domestic team geared up for the job. That is nothing to be dismissed, like tired 'China can't do shit without stealing our technology' circlejerks would like to indicate.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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>Now that Zhurong has got down successfully, scientists will try to get at least 90 Martian days of service out of it, studying the local geology. 90 days, doesn't that seem short?

All things considered, 90 days is pretty good for how harsh of an environment Mars can be.

Also, there are dozens of ways to make the mission last longer but no ways of accomplishing that without adding more weight.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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> China had to develop all space technology on their own. It’s hard not to laugh at that statement. China runs the largest IP theft program in the world. To the point U.S. companies factor it in when doing business there. Just search this - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=china+steals&t=fpas&ia=web They also had the “thousand talents program”. That’s not to say what they did was not impressive, it was. But it’s also a lot…

That's funny. The thousand talents program is about attracting talents globally. Now who are you to say that those talents are 'yours' not 'theirs'? How about those talents the US attracted before because 'everyone likes the freedom here'? Are those not stolen simply because the US did it under a different political banner?
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