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TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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Re: TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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Post by KirillPanov »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #71
KirillPanov wrote: post #70

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The kneejerk downvotes of this post make me ashamed of HN. > (also, the gross receipts tax is... pretty dumb) ... for manufacturers who aren't Boeing. It's true though. Taxing revenue instead of profit is a ridiculous policy which punishes manufacturers and favors every other industry at their expense. Giving one company (Boeing) its own special preferential revenue tax rate [1] of $\epsilon$ percent is not a solutio…

The kneejerk downvotes here make me ashamed of HN. Lots of subs on Reddit grew tremendously during the pandemic. I'm guessing HN did too and has a worse case than usual of "eternal September."

Sadly, no; it's a side effect of how the HN voting system works -- it encourages virtue-signaling rather than curiosity.

Re: TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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Post by nradov »

neonological wrote: post #49
oogabooga123 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ironically, right now by being more business friendly more people want to move to places like Arizona or Texas for jobs. This isn’t “ironically”, this is literally the primary argument in favor of this policy angle.

The entire purpose of business regulation is to protect the people. People choosing to give up this protection is the irony. For example. Tobacco kills people. Government looks out for the interests of the people and regulates Big Tobacco. So Big Tobacco moves to a place where it is unregulated and free to distribute tobacco even to minors. People "IRONICALLY" against their own self interest follow the company becaus…

Nanny states are far worse than tobacco.

Re: TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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Post by kristofferR »

neonological wrote: post #14

You guys ever wonder why they don't choose California? These factories have huge environmental impacts that California is not okay with. These factories produce massive amounts of waste that cannot be recycled. This is also very likely to be the same exact reason as to why these talks didn't go so well in Europe. Arizona like Texas is more business friendly at the expense of not looking out for the well being of peop…

CNBC did a great little mini-documentary about Arizona tech yesterday [1], and one of the covered aspects were the insane water demands that comes from fabs.

Arizona doesn't exactly have an abundance of water, they're already depleting aquafers, before the fabs have begun operation (a typical fab uses 2-4 million gallons of water per day).

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCjsLXvyXH8

Re: TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

dillondoyle wrote: post #68
snskzbs wrote: post #60

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First, DC statehood is not popular. Not outside of DC itself and the delusions of the Democrats who realized, upon loosing Miami, that demographics isnt destiny. Most Americans see that the right way to correct the grievance of lack of representation is by returning DC where it came from - Maryland. The political junkies are loath to dillute the insane additional political power they'd wield if they became a state. R…

Returning to MD would for sure solve a lot of the arguments about representation, tax issues, etc. I agree on PR it's not as liberal at least socially as many would assume. But DC is 100% a very very liberal city. Polling has moved our direction, right now a plurality outside the margin nationwide support DC statehood at least in the last polls I've seen asking it. And personally as you can guess my obvious political…

I just hope the Supreme Court would find a DC statehood bill unconstitutional. There are so many other ways to address DC citizens grievances than adding a new state that is fundamentally different than the other 50 - in no small part because it was designed as an independent patch of land not part of any state.

Re: TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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Post by scythe »

SCAQTony wrote: post #48

The USA is also willing to defend Taiwan and currently the US has carrier groups in the south China sea. This suggests that the idea of building chips in the US may be a diplomatic courtesy and arguably an incentive.

Our willingness to defend Taiwan doesn't mean a war wouldn't disrupt the supply chain. There's a reason the Soviet Union built factories in Novosibirsk, and it wasn't because they weren't willing to defend Leningrad.

Re: TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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Post by [deleted] »

xenihn wrote: post #28

I've been thinking about what would happen if there's an actual military crisis between China and Taiwan. I wonder if the United States would allow (and aid with) unlimited immigration from Taiwan for educated specialists, in an attempt to capture/retain as much skills and knowledge as possible.

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Re: TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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Post by oogabooga123 »

neonological wrote: post #49
oogabooga123 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ironically, right now by being more business friendly more people want to move to places like Arizona or Texas for jobs. This isn’t “ironically”, this is literally the primary argument in favor of this policy angle.

The entire purpose of business regulation is to protect the people. People choosing to give up this protection is the irony. For example. Tobacco kills people. Government looks out for the interests of the people and regulates Big Tobacco. So Big Tobacco moves to a place where it is unregulated and free to distribute tobacco even to minors. People "IRONICALLY" against their own self interest follow the company becaus…

I suppose you would have the government approve every individual action you take to ensure it isn’t against the interest of “the people”. I’m just glad there’s still enough voters who don’t think like you, to be honest. That concerns me a lot more than how dangerous the products in the store are.

Re: TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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Post by PKop »

echelon wrote: post #30
xenihn wrote: post #28

I've been thinking about what would happen if there's an actual military crisis between China and Taiwan. I wonder if the United States would allow (and aid with) unlimited immigration from Taiwan for educated specialists, in an attempt to capture/retain as much skills and knowledge as possible.

The US should invite Taiwan to become the 50-nth state. Perhaps several states, to give them more Senate votes. Numerous polls of the Taiwanese show that they would want to join the US if given the choice between independent statehood, joining the mainland, and joining the US. Plus, the US gets a nice permanent military base and gets to monitor all future Chinese submarine activity. If China attacks a US state, it wo…

Are you going to enlist to fight in a war to defend this territory that is magically claimed as a US state? What motivation will Americans have to fight and die for Taiwan? They will have none.

>the US gets

C'mon, this is not how geopolitics works. China could easily defend this land from US incursion and they aren't even letting Taiwan be independent let alone let US take it for themselves.

Re: TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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Post by sanxiyn »

culturestate wrote: post #99
jeppesen-io wrote: post #12

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That's precisely why. It costs A LOT to make a fab seismic resistant They've done this and know the costs

My point is that if you already successfully operate several seismically stable fabs and you're building a new one that's gonna cost you tens of billions of dollars anyway, there must be other factors that are higher on your requirements list.

Fabs deal with earthquakes by stopping. They'd rather not stop.
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