This simply reinforces the statement that once you're in the system that you're always in the system.
Online, mug shots are forever – some states want to change that
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Re: Online, mug shots are forever – some states want to change that
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
> resists posting mug shots at all, which seems like something that police departments have complete control over Note that these laws originated from a civil rights perspective. Requiring the publication of arrests makes it harder for the police to disappear people.
why not give the suspect a choice? would you prefer your mugshot be published online, google-able for years, or would you rather not, and risk getting ‘disappeared’ by your local police dept without a trace. i know which one i’d choose.
Scariest f** to even have to talk like this.
Re: Online, mug shots are forever – some states want to change that
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
> resists posting mug shots at all, which seems like something that police departments have complete control over Note that these laws originated from a civil rights perspective. Requiring the publication of arrests makes it harder for the police to disappear people.
why not give the suspect a choice? would you prefer your mugshot be published online, google-able for years, or would you rather not, and risk getting ‘disappeared’ by your local police dept without a trace. i know which one i’d choose.
How do you verify that the convict made the choice, and that they weren't forced to or tortured?
This is a good reason to make it mandatory to publish mugshots.
You can make mugshots visible only to some trusted list of human right activist organizations. This is kind of a compromise between convict's safety and privacy.
Re: Online, mug shots are forever – some states want to change that
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> resists posting mug shots at all, which seems like something that police departments have complete control over Note that these laws originated from a civil rights perspective. Requiring the publication of arrests makes it harder for the police to disappear people.
why not give the suspect a choice? would you prefer your mugshot be published online, google-able for years, or would you rather not, and risk getting ‘disappeared’ by your local police dept without a trace. i know which one i’d choose.
That would provide no protection against being disappeared, and potentially make things more dangerous for people in that situation.
Assume police do disappear people. Opting for your record to be public would show police that you're willing to cause problems for them, making the prospect of getting rid of you more appealing. Further, if some associate of yours goes to find out what has happened to you, they can just lie and say you opted for a private record and send the person away.
Re: Online, mug shots are forever – some states want to change that
#105I like that the proposed bills here are not attempts to force sites to remove mug shots (which seems like a losing battle) but instead just resists posting mug shots at all, which seems like something that police departments have complete control over. Unless it serves a legitimate law enforcement end, either as part of a punishment for being convicted of a crime or to aid the public in the search for a fugitive, it…
> resists posting mug shots at all, which seems like something that police departments have complete control over Note that these laws originated from a civil rights perspective. Requiring the publication of arrests makes it harder for the police to disappear people.
First, I don’t see a reason why just a name would not be good enough as opposed to the mug shot itself.
Second, it seems that this same justification could be used to justify a lot of privacy breakdowns. For example:
Question: “Why are the suspects naked in the mugshots?”
Answer: “This is actually a civil rights thing to show that they were not beaten up during their arrest. Before, police would hit suspects where their clothes would cover the injuries, but with naked mug shots published on the Internet, they can’t do that any more.”
Re: Online, mug shots are forever – some states want to change that
#106I wonder in the discussions surrounding these sorts of things (Right to be Forgotten, etc) if the issue isn't that there should be a right to be forgotten but rather that culturally we should be far far more tolerant of people fucking up. It feels like the perception of how much the average member of society transgresses its rules is totally out of sync with reality, though this may be by design to create space for e…
A problem with mugshot sites is that they often detail the charges, and sometimes the charges just aren’t something people are going to be tolerant of. For example, I know a young man who traded nude photos on his phone with a girlfriend who was just below the age of consent, got caught, and was arrested and charged with "sexual exploitation of a minor". Once in court, those charges were easily plea-bargained away, b…
I never thought of it this way before. These mugshot landing pages don't exactly have a lot of subtlety to the outcome about the charges.
Re: Online, mug shots are forever – some states want to change that
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think a mug shot makes someone look guilty, do you not believe someone is innocent until proven guilty? Perhaps that the real issue. People don't understand how the justice system works. People put too much blind faith in cops.
It doesn't matter what you believe. A significant chunk of people will just assume guilt and repeat/propagate the information, whether through naivete or malice. Having a large number of people saying 'X is a criminal' based solely on the existence of the mugshot is a problem. Some people do it because it fits a political agenda, other people are credulous fools who believe they can see evil by looking at the eyes in…
It's not so much the assumption of guilt as a kind of 'bias'.
'It doesn't make you good look good', or it 'kind of makes you look guilty'.
I think most people recognize that it doesn't imply guilt, but it's a strong signal in that direction.
A person who gets a mugshot, and is subsequently let off the hook ... doesn't really recover from the stain of bad PR.
A mugshot could ruin a CEO's career for example, in law there is exoneration, but in populism there often isn't. Or not like that. They'd have to hire a PR firm to do a public reparation of their image.
For those who are actually guilty of course it's less relevant.
Re: Online, mug shots are forever – some states want to change that
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
> resists posting mug shots at all, which seems like something that police departments have complete control over Note that these laws originated from a civil rights perspective. Requiring the publication of arrests makes it harder for the police to disappear people.
This is nonsensical; if they're not following the law they will simply ... not publish the mugshots. Besides, the police have no need to "disappear" people when they have guns and an almost impossible to challenge right to fire indiscriminately into dwellings (Breonna Taylor).
Some procedures are harder to violate without getting caught than others.
Not all cops will cooperate with the corrupt ones. And if some of them want you to disappear, they will need to hide it from the others; procedures are intended to make this harder.
Re: Online, mug shots are forever – some states want to change that
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
> resists posting mug shots at all, which seems like something that police departments have complete control over Note that these laws originated from a civil rights perspective. Requiring the publication of arrests makes it harder for the police to disappear people.
First, I don’t see a reason why just a name would not be good enough as opposed to the mug shot itself. Second, it seems that this same justification could be used to justify a lot of privacy breakdowns. For example: Question: “Why are the suspects naked in the mugshots?” Answer: “This is actually a civil rights thing to show that they were not beaten up during their arrest. Before, police would hit suspects where th…
> I don’t see a reason why just a name would not be good enough as opposed to the mug shot itself.
Name overlap, misspellings, alternate spellings, fake names, aliases, nicknames, no names.
Let me bust out what, by this time, is an old trope: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-...
Re: Online, mug shots are forever – some states want to change that
#110I like that the proposed bills here are not attempts to force sites to remove mug shots (which seems like a losing battle) but instead just resists posting mug shots at all, which seems like something that police departments have complete control over. Unless it serves a legitimate law enforcement end, either as part of a punishment for being convicted of a crime or to aid the public in the search for a fugitive, it…
> resists posting mug shots at all, which seems like something that police departments have complete control over Note that these laws originated from a civil rights perspective. Requiring the publication of arrests makes it harder for the police to disappear people.
In what way? As long as it's a small enough number of people needing to be disappeared, it can be done while still publishing arrests of everyone else! It's not as if the person under detention can check.